Kick it Naturally -Understanding Digestive Issues – Part 1
T.C. Hale is not a doctor and does not claim to be a doctor, licensed in any type of medical field. Don’t be an idiot and use anything heard on this show as medical advice. This information should be used for educational purposes only and you should contact your doctor for any medical advice. Now get off me.
Kinna: Welcome to Kick It Naturally, I’m Kinna McInroe, and I’m here with
T.C Hale, author, natural health expert, producer, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Kinna: Yes, also tomato!
Tony: I’m not a tomato. I think that’s the word of the day today.
Kinna: Oh, tomato is the word of the day.
Tony: How many shows have we had now?
Kinna: Oh, this is going to be our 27th podcast.
Tony: Yeah, and we’ve never once had a word of the day.
Kinna: We also need to give away prizes, too.
Tony: How about a tomato?
Kinna: Yeah, we’ll send you a tomato. Uh, today.
Tony: It’s a solid plan.
Kinna: Exactly! If this is your first time hearing us today, T.C. was a touring comic, obviously he wasn’t funny though.
Kinna: Exactly! When he lost his voice for 8 years and 23 doctors couldn’t help him. So he went a little psycho researching nutrition and how the body works and now he teaches what he learned in books, movies and these radio shows.
Tony: Here’s a show.
Tony: Gives away prizes.
Kinna: Exactly, gives away tomatoes. We also have hottie patottie, Will Schmidt, today in with us. Hey, how ya doing?
Will: Good. How are you doing?
Kinna: Good. Good.
Tony: Hello, Will Schmidt.
Kinna: Will is a cool personal trainer/nutritionist here in Hollywood.
Tony: All the fancy stars.
Kinna: Yeah, he’s got fancy stars and stuff.
Tony: If someone has a show, they work with Will.
Will: Jessica Alba. No.
Kinna: Oh, Jessica Alba?
Will: No. I don’t train her. I just saw her and I’m still tripping out about it.
Tony: Uh huh.
Kinna: Yeah, I saw that update and I wanted to ask you about that.
Tony: If you talk to her again tell her that you work with the guy that was brought in and taught her how to bartend in that movie “Honey”.
Will: Honey? Okay, I’m sure she’ll remember you.
Tony: Yeah, yeah I know, but she’s like bartending and I’m like hiding behind the bar telling her how to do stuff.
Will: Oh, okay.
Kinna: Which is funny cause you don’t drink. So I don’t know how you would know how to make drinks?
Tony: I bartended for like ten years.
Kinna: Oh, wow.
Tony: I was a bottle flippy around throw fire….
Kinna: Why didn’t you tell me?
Will: Is this while you couldn’t talk? You’d just be like the mime bartender?
Tony: No, it was way before all that.
Kinna: Will, if I’d have known that I’d be making you make me drinks all along.
Tony: I know. That’s why I kept it quiet.
Kinna: Okay. All right. So if you haven’t liked us yet you need to go ahead, drop anything you’re doing, if you’ve got the kids anything, just drop them. Go onto Facebook and like us at kickitinthenuts. We’re going to post topics there every single week about future shows that we’re going to be doing and you guys can ask questions you want us to cover and we’ll cover those questions.
Tony: But maybe not this many questions.
Kinna: Yeah, we have a lot of questions today, so today may be two shows.
Tony: We may have to break this up.
Kinna: We may have a to be continued show.
Tony: I guess it’s a hot topic.
Kinna: It is and this is my favorite topic if you’ve listened to the other podcasts you know how much I love digestion.
Tony: Uh huh. And every time we talk about digestion it usually allows us to bring up Kinna’s years and years of diarrhea.
Kinna: Yeah. Exactly. They love to bring up my diarrhea.
Tony: So we also have a lot of previous episodes on specific topics that we’ve covered.
Kinna: We sure do.
Tony: So we may not go into as much depth into some of these, but we can point you to the full episodes that you can go and find. What other episodes do we already have?
Kinna: Why are you asking me that right now when I don’t have it right in front of me? It’s the third one in.
Kinna: We’ve covered a lot of topics, so many topics that I had to write them down.
Tony: You’re dragging them out.
Kinna: Yeah, yeah, here I go. Okay, so if you’re dealing with any of the following issues we have full episodes on them. Understanding constipation. I don’t really know that there’s much to understand, it’s you’re constipated. Understanding IBS, chrohns and colitis, food sensitivities and food allergies and you can find those by searching for kick it naturally on iTunes or Stitcher. If you like the show, please be sure to leave us a review. No more hate mail for me though.
Tony: And there’s another show on reflux, heartburn and GERD too, so we might get into that some too.
Kinna: Oh yeah.
Tony: The main goal of this show in particular is just to maybe not go as deep into some those topics, but to kind of answer people’s questions that just have to do with digestion and why does my stomach hurt and why does stuff never come out of my butt when I want it to? And those type of things where we want people to be able to understand that there are answers to your issues. A lot of people just feel like well, I’ve always been this way and I’m just stuck this way. Do you see a lot of people like that, Will?
Will: I do. Yeah, a lot of people are like they’ll come in and say, oh, I’ve always only gone to the bathroom once every other day.
Will: And you’ll ask them if they’re constipated and they’ll go, no, no, I go once every other day.
Tony: Yeah, I go once a week. I’m fine.
Will: Right, in my book that’s not fun and not healthy, so I think they’re so common that people just assume that that’s just how it is. Like everyone is just really gassy and constipated or sometimes it’s diarrhea or painful bowel movements and it doesn’t need to be that way. And it has lots of other bad ramifications if it is that way for a long time.
Tony: Right, and like every other commercial is about reflux or heartburn so people just feel like oh, everybody has that so I’ll just go ahead and keep having that.
Will: Yeah, and it’s really not o.k. If you think about like if you look at the digestive system and what it is to a person, it’s pretty much the same thing that the root system is to a plant. So if you’ve ever gardened anything or if you’ve ever seen a plant you probably know it has roots and just imagine like how long is that plant going to thrive if its roots are all messed up.
Tony: Right, or you cut the roots off completely and they’re not there anymore.
Will: Yeah, right, so it’s not just like it’s uncomfortable to be constipated or whatever. It leads to most of the health problems that we see today. Not all there’s certain car accidents probably. Maybe if you were….
Kinna: I have a poor digestion, so I had a car accident.
Will: Maybe if you had diarrhea in your car and you’re like flipping out you could have a car accident.
Kinna: I have told a cop that before and it got me out of a ticket. I have diarrhea.
Will: I’ve heard that works.
Tony: Was that plan B after the show cleavage?
Kinna: Yes, exactly. I went right to the diarrhea. Tears and everything.
Tony: So, Will, do you want to talk a little bit about the process of digestion? Just really quick, so we can have a base of what we’re going with.
Will: Yeah, the two main points that we like to focus on and there’s more to digestion than just this. Like the whole intestinal flora and like water flow and things, but the two main things that we want to point out and focus on because they’re so fundamental and usually the cause of most people’s problems is the acidification of the food in the stomach and then the emulsification and alkalinization of the food by the bile. So when you eat food and it goes into your stomach, your stomach should secrete a lot of stomach acid, hydrochloric acid, and sterilize the food, kill everything that can’t survive in an acid environment, break down proteins into amino acids. Then that food leaves the stomach after the acid does its job and enters the start of the intestinal tract, called the duodenal, and that’s where your gall bladder should squirt bile, which is an alkaline liquid soap. That should alkalize the food and create this big chemical explosion where most of the nutrients are liberated from your food and also the fats get broken down by that soap into usable lipids. Then the rest of that, after that pH is neutralized by that acid bath and that alkaline bath by that bile, then the food works its way through the intestinal tract and the flora helps extract more nutrients.
Tony: All those other things go on.
Kinna: I just saw a whole movie montage with that.
Will: You like that?
Kinna: Like when you said liberated and stuff they’re all like Woo!
Will: Woo! We’re free. We’re free!
Kinna: Yeah, yeah.
Tony: Little dances?
Will: That’s how I always think of it.
Tony: Yeah, so it’s that process of the acid meeting the alkaline, bile, that kind of busts everything apart and that has to happen for us to be able to pull nutrients out of the food. So, we’ll be getting into more details of that when we go into some questions, but that’s the very broad basis of how digestion works. A lot of people don’t understand that, because if they did they wouldn’t take a drug that turned the acid off cause you just turned off at least 50% of the digestive process. The thing about the digestive process is that you have to have the acid and the bile, both things functioning, or you can’t break that food down all the way.
Will: Yeah, think of it like a battery. It has to have a positive and negative charge for those ions to run. If not, if both are not happening then you don’t get that explosion, you don’t get that liberation and everyone’s…
Tony: There’s no dance.
Will: There’s no dance party. There’s no Braveheart celebration. It’s just foods that are not broken down well. And then that food even if it’s like free range, Farmer’s Market, organic, you grew it yourself, that food ends up occurring to your body as a toxin. Because it’s not broken down into usable bits and like you say in your books like your body doesn’t know what to do with like peanut butter sandwich in the blood stream.
Kinna: So you could still be eating very very clean, but if you have some type of imbalance or your digestion isn’t working, you know, you basically could still gain weight. You could still shove things in fat cells or not be able to break it down.
Tony: Right, totally correct! Cause your body breaks a peanut butter sandwich into vitamins, and minerals, and amino acids, and fats and it can use all those things.
Kinna: That sounds so good.
Tony: And it can use all those things, but it doesn’t know what to do with peanut butter sandwich.
Tony: Kinna knows what to do with a peanut butter sandwich.
Kinna: I know what to do with a peanut butter sandwich.
Tony: So let’s get into some questions and we’ll see where this takes us and we’ll see what we get through in this show.
Kinna: Aw yeah. James, from Iverness, Florida. Always eat fresh and they say live cultures are good. Who’s they?
Tony: It’s just some people. You know and this is good because this is pretty typical of what people think as far as digestion goes. When they hear digestion they think take a fiber and a probiotics and that’s pretty much the only information that’s out there for the public. So James, no. You know, but it’s good. You do want to eat real food and he’s saying to eat fresh, but like Will was saying, if you can’t digest that then eating fresh…
Kinna: You’re just spending money on organic.
Tony: Right, you’re just paying for more expensive discomfort.
Will: And this goes like into a lot of the stuff that I see when people take on the body ecology diet.
Tony: Uh huh.
Will: And they’re just doing a bunch of fermented food all the time.
Will: In my experience, my friends and clients that have done that usually feel good for like the first month or two and then they’re like I can’t stand anymore of sauerkraut or kefir or whatever else. Cause you don’t need to keep on pouring probiotics into the system. It can actually be kind of like harmful if they’re over populated or over saturated. I like to think of it like fish in your fish tank. Like you don’t need to keep putting more fish in your fish tank if they’re alive. I mean if you kill them all you should look at why you killed them. That’s awful of you, but if they’re alive they will tend to stay alive and keep doing their job and even like you know proliferate and make more of their own stuff. So you don’t have to continually repopulate yourself with probiotics if your system is healthy.
Tony: Right and the thing is understand that that gut flora you need to have it there. It has to be there. There are a lot of things that they do that make the whole function of digestion happen. They’re making B vitamins they’re doing all this stuff. They’re cleaning off intestinal walls, but just adding more probiotics, even if you have none in your system maybe you took an antibiotic and wiped everything out, but even if you don’t have anything in there, just adding probiotics is not going to fix issues that are not functioning correctly like acid production or bile flow.
Will: Yeah, and when those things are functioning well, it usually helps really make the internal terrain a healthy place for probiotics to live. So you don’t even necessarily have to supplement with them. If those two points are working well, it’s like a healthy little field and stuff just starts to grow there.
Tony: Right, right.
Kinna: All right. Madeline and Deanna both have similar questions about bloating. Madeline, from Freemont, Kentucky. Can you explain why I only get bloated when I eat a lot of carbs? Uh, you want me to read the other one as well?
Tony: Yeah, sure.
Kinna: Deanna, From Orlando, Florida. Bloating, what can I do about it?
Tony: What’s up Deanna? I used to live in Orlando, but I don’t know Deanna. We can still be friends though.
Kinna: Yeah, may be?
Tony: Um, Will, do you want to talk a little bit about bloating is usually caused by and then we can talk about the carb aspect?
Will: Yeah, in hearing their questions I’m pretty sure and we can talk about both, but they’re talking about bloating in their stomach, but they might also mean like bloating like getting puffy.
Will: Yeah and the puffy side of it is when you eat carbs your body creates insulin to help usher those sugars into the cells and insulin elevation causes sodium retention and that’s why people feel puffier. That’s why body builders don’t eat carbs before a show cause they keep their skin tighter and their insulin levels down and with that their body retain less water in between the existential fluids. So bloating like that would happen whenever you eat carbs because it elevates your insulin. And that’s different then like people are so afraid of salts cause they’re afraid that will cause bloating.
Tony: Cause they think that’s where bloating is from.
Will: Right, but it’s the insulin that’s causing the sodium retention. Like you can eat plenty of salt, but if your insulin levels are low it’s not going to go into the existential fluid space. So that’s one kind of bloating. If you’re looking at it like in the stomach carbs are digested mostly by the bicarbonate that your saliva like helps secrete. So whenever you eat carbs, you will create a more alkaline environment in your stomach because of your salivary contributions and that creates a little high school volcano experiment in your stomach. When the alkaline bicarbonates from your saliva mix with the stomach acid you’re going to get some fizzy bubbly mess, so that can make you feel bloated in your stomach.
Tony: Right and for most people that are experiencing something like this eating carbs should not make you feel bloated, but if you don’t have the proper stomach acid then even doing something like adding a little more enzymes from saliva that can alkalize a little bit are going to push you way over and you’re going to be way bloated. Anybody that is getting that bloat from anything that they eat really is almost always not making enough hydrochloric acid. There are bacteria that can live in the stomach when there’s not enough acid in there to kill it and they set up a little camp and they have keg parties and such. That bacteria creates gas. A lot of times when you eat carbs it excites those bacteria and they create even more gas and it expands and you expand and you feel horribly bloated and disdained.
Will: Yeah, so on top of the alkaline bicarbonates from your saliva also like the bacteria in your stomach can contribute. Just like the yeast in beer ferments….
Tony: Right. Good.
Will: the sugars there makes the pressure in the can when you open a beer. Right, Kinna?
Kinna: Right. I know about that.
Tony: So if someone can improve their acid production or supplement with HCL and improve their stomach acid levels, then when they eat carbs they will generally do much better and they won’t have that bloating situation once they’re at an acidic level enough to make the stomach acid.
Kinna: Dennis, constant damn flatulence! Despite loads of whole grains. Well, I’m sorry, Dennis and I’m sorry for your friends.
Tony: So here’s what whole grains do for flatulence….they do nothing.
Will: Well, they contribute more so usually.
Tony: Yeah, I don’t know you know people say it’s all about whole grains is the healthy thing to eat, but it’s a story. It’s a fictional story. Yes, it can be a better choice for some people, but if you’re someone who has problems with grains at all then whole grains could even make it worse.
Will: Yeah, they’re going to be even harder to digest then say some broken down flour. And grains being a plant they don’t want you to eat them, like they don’t want you to digest them, so they have these digestive inhibitors that block you from being able to break them down easily so that can like go slower through your intestinal tract, but can also cause all sorts of fermentation and there’s starches in there that little bacteria will also like ferment just like in the stomach it’ll do that in the intestinal tract as those carbs go through you and that can create a lot of gas.
Tony: Right and think about if you don’t have that acid from the stomach and the bile to neutralize it and get that sizzle where everything breaks apart the way your food breaks down is through rotting and fermenting. Both of those activities create gas which is now expanding in the intestinal tract until you push it out and your girlfriend punches you in the face and says get out of here.
Kinna: Or holds you under the sheets and then holds you there.
Tony: Do you want to explain yourself?
Kinna: Oh no.
Tony: Yeah, that must be a different game, but it doesn’t really matter you could be eating foods that were actually healthy for you that were not grains at all, but if you weren’t digesting them there could still be a lot of gas that comes. And we find that a lot of people that have chronic gas like that often have a bile flow issue where the bile is not flowing well so there’s no sizzle where stuff can break down.
Will: And we see that too when people start trying to eat healthier when they go on lots of salads and more raw vegetables and things like that. Those plants are, like when we cook them, it makes them a little easier to digest. They’re slightly predigested like that, so when people will try to go like raw broccoli or celery sticks or more greens and they’ll just get horribly gassy. Because their digestion just isn’t on par to like break that stuff down.
Tony: Right, but when you improve digestion we notice that gas does seem to improve a whole lot.
Kinna: Uh huh. All right, Jill. Quinoa rips my stomach like razors. Wow. Love it. Can’t eat it.
Tony: You can pet it.
Kinna: I don’t even know that I’ve ever tasted it.
Tony: It’s o.k.
Kinna: I don’t know that I’d eat it if it ripped my stomach like razors.
Tony: So the odds are that it probably does not rip your actually stomach. It’s probably not happening in your stomach. It’s probably a discomfort that comes further down the line. And it could be an issue of you’re not breaking things down well enough, but it could also be an issue where digestion has been off for so long that grains are giving you, any type of grain even a quinoa, which is a much more gentle and usually people do a lot better with that then they do other grains. But it could be causing you problems just because of that. You okay with that?
Will: I’m okay with that. I do totally agree most grains like wheat and stuff the more dense ones are a lot harder, but yeah, if you have issues with carbs in general. Or you have particular lectin allergies to different grains then you might want to avoid those things until you really improve your digestion overall.
Tony: Right, but if it’s just sitting in your stomach and it’s not moving, then you probably don’t have enough stomach acid to digest anything. If you improve that you may see that that may be enough to improve the situation, but you could also fix digestion and if you’ve created this trouble with grains of any kind or even a specific one like that it may take quite a while of eliminating it to be able to do it again.
Will: And if you find other particular foods like that that are issues you might want to listen to our episode on food sensitivities. Cause sometimes people will think that oh, I’m just allergic to quinoa or whatever else. And there’s maybe more to it of the overall system being off.
Kinna: Alex, from Tucson, Arizona. Anytime I eat breakfast before ten I’m sick all day. If I eat after ten I get hypoglycemic symptoms. I start to shake and can’t think straight. Why? I do have Celiac and it sucks.
Tony: I think it’s best, Alex, to eat breakfast right at ten. It sounds like you can’t do anything before or anything after, but if you eat right at ten.
Kinna: Ten on the dot.
Tony: Which if you go to McDonalds, I guess they stop serving breakfast somewhere around there, you’ll have to work out something with the manager and we recommend that.
Kinna: You could order it at 9:59 and it would be to you probably by ten and then you could eat it.
Tony: See, we’re here with…we provide solutions. Is what we do. You know a lot of people that don’t feel well when they eat early in the morning it’s often because the food that they ate last night is still sitting there in the system. It’s not digested. It’s not broken down. It’s creating all these gases and toxins in the body’s like look, don’t give me something else. I haven’t finished dealing with what you gave me last night. And so if that food is still trying to break down and you put something else in on top of it then it’s going to exacerbate any nausea and toxic situation.
Kinna: I have a question. How long does it take for something to go through your body and be digested? Like if I eat it this morning, when’s it coming out?
Tony: Maybe we could flag something?
Tony: We could put like a little…
Kinna: We could wrap like a little ribbon around it.
Tony & Will: A flag. Like a flag.
Kinna: Yeah, a ribbon around it. I’ll eat one piece of corn and I won’t chew it.
Tony: So we’ll get back to you on the next episode and we’ll be sifting through Kinna’s poop until next week.
Kinna: Hey, but maybe we’ll find my engagement ring.
Will: But that really, your question, Kinna, that really depends on the person. Like if you have more acid that’s going to move through you quicker. If you have no bile flow…
Kinna: Cause we’re all snowflakes.
Will: Yeah, right.
Kinna: But generally, I mean, is there like a time frame? Like if someone has good digestion is it supposed to be eight hours or something?
Tony: Well, you say that like in the stomach you hope that everything is moved out in a couple of hours in the stomach.
Kinna: Oh, okay.
Tony: That’s kind of what you think, in the stomach, but then that’s a whole different story moving through the intestinal tract.
Tony: What was the question?
Will: But his thing, yeah when we look at the hypoglycemia if he waits too long, you want to look at, like you said, the foods that you eat the night before weren’t broken down. You want to look at like what kinds of macronutrients were those. Like was it protein heavy, fat heavy or carb heavy? And you want to take steps to try to correct your ability to digest those things different things. So you might want to go through the FREE course that we have on correcting digestive issues at kickitinthenuts.com. To help identify what part of your digestion is off. Like do you not have enough acid or is your bile is not flowing well? And if you’re like trying to get your bile to flow well and it’s challenging and going kind of slow, you may want to think about not really eating a lot of fats until you fix that. Like you said to me before, like if you can’t digest a certain food, you shouldn’t eat it. It’s not going to go well.
Tony: Not just cause all the cool kids are eating it.
Will: Yeah, even if you totally need fats in your diet. Like maybe it’s something your chemistry shows you really need more saturated fats. Don’t eat it until you can digest it. So learn how to like identify when your stomach acid is on point your bile flow is on point and then start to incorporate those foods into your program.
Tony: Right, so what’s going on with Alex is if you look at a lot of obesity issues it goes back to kind of a starvation situation where the person is eating something, but their digestion is not functioning, so they can’t break it down into the nutrients that the body needs to use. So, the body says hey, I saw that come in, but I’m not getting anything, so send me something else. So they’re kind of starving even though they’re eating. So with Alex, if he feels like he’s getting into that hypoglycemic situation don’t look at the nausea and feeling awful as the same issue as the hypoglycemia. The hypoglycemia could be that you’ve run out of fuel because either you’re eating the wrong kind of fuel and you’re burning through it too quickly or you’re just not digesting enough to pull enough resources that your body can use. So if you try to keep going without eating you kind of feel like you’re going to pass out a little bit.
Kinna: Richard, how does corn repair itself inside the body and come out whole again? Thus being a reason I don’t eat corn nuts. I think you need to chew.
Tony: Yeah, chewing is good, but maybe corn is magic.
Kinna: It may be. I have the same issue with pine nuts. I’ll have pine nuts in a salad and then the next time I poop, I’ll see whole pine nuts.
Tony: And how long does it take for you to see those pine nuts?
Kinna: It seems like it’s like that night or the next morning. It’s like, you know, within the next day, so I guess that’s how fast my digestion is working. Does that mean that you’re not chewing it properly?
Tony: Yeah, I’m almost sure it’s not putting itself back together in your body. And the same with corn and corn is just a thing that’s harder to break down like pine nuts, so you might be having digestion enough to function through the easier things to process, but then with something hard like that like corn or something it doesn’t and it comes out the other end like it’s still on the cob.
Kinna: But corn’s so soft?
Tony: Yeah, but it’s not so easy to break down.
Will: I think more of the corn that we eat is genetically modified than we realize.
Will: And your body’s like, why is there plastic in my food?
Kinna: Yeah, It breaks down and it’s Tupperware. Ahhh! Yeah, I got a new Tupperware plate. Woohoo! All right, Richard. Good luck. Melissa and Chuck, both have similar things. I can’t crap! Stupid IBS. And Chuck from Sioux Falls City, Iowa, how about GERD and IBS? So we’ll just put those two things together since they’re asking about IBS.
Will: Uh huh. Well, with IBS we had a whole podcast on that one, so you might want to go back and listen to that.
Kinna: Uh huh and GERD.
Will: Yeah, right and we talked about how we don’t like the term IBS because it’s this big blanket thing for something’s off in your digestion.
Kinna: I thought IBS meant you went to the bathroom all the time.
Tony: If it’s just IBS it’s just irritable bowel syndrome and it can mean that I haven’t pooped this month and it could also mean I’ve pooped seven times during this sentence.
Kinna: Oh wow!
Tony: So they give it such a broad name and the underlying causes for those two issues are completely and horribly different for most people. So you put somebody in this same category and they’re all in the same party, but it’s very different issues. So if you can’t poop and you’re chronically constipated, you know, the two main causes of that are either that the stool is not acidic enough. So it’ll move very slowly, like Will was saying. Or there’s an anabolic imbalance at the cellular level where the body doesn’t send enough water to the bowel and it gets all dried up and crusty and you got to yank it out with a shovel or something. It just won’t move at all. But fixing those can really help that.
Kinna: What about a colonic or something?
Tony: A colonic might spray something out, but you’re not fixing the problem.
Kinna: Well, yeah, but at least you’ll get some relief.
Tony: If it’s from an anabolic imbalance where everything is too dry, but I’ve heard from a lot of clients with chronic constipation that that’s how they poop. They go and get a colonic once every 4 or 5 days. Like that’s their method of pooping.
Kinna: Wow, that’s expensive. That’s an expensive poop.
Tony: Right, it’s even more expensive than toilet paper.
Kinna: They need to look for gold in it.
Tony: Uh huh.
Will: Yeah, I haven’t really seen any cases of constipation where that wasn’t the case. Where they either didn’t have enough acid or they were too anabolic.
Will: Yeah, so check those out. You can learn about those markers if you’re too anabolic by going through that digestion course.
Tony: Yeah, the FREE digestion course teaches you how to look at your own physiology and simple tests that you can do at home, so that you can look at okay, do I have an anabolic imbalance? Or is it probably just the low stomach acid thing?
Will: Yeah and then with the GERD, the Gastroesophageal reflux disease.
Will: You like that? Yeah.
Will: So there are different causes of that, but usually that happens also because of not enough stomach acid.
Tony: Yeah, break it down. How does that work?
Will: Yeah, so it’s kind of the whole big secret behind the antacid industry. Is that are reflux and issues like that heartburn, burping, bloating that kind of stuff happens because of this whole little fermentation like situation in your stomach. Where it’s not acidic enough so the bacteria can live in the stomach and then they do what you said they do. They ferment the food that you eat, like I think I mentioned beer ferments the sugars and grains and creates bubbles and air pressure and with that, the contents of the stomach, under that air pressure will sometimes, like that pressure will be enough to slip the valves of the stomach open and you’ll regurgitate it. So you’ll have reflux. When you acidify the stomach enough all that bacteria dies, so you don’t get that little air pressure generation.
Tony: Right, that’s pushing everything back up.
Will: There are cases of things like hiatal hernias and such where that’s different, you know, and that can you know and that can be really tricky and annoying to deal with, but most of the cases are because of the insufficient acid.
Tony: Right and the trick that people don’t understand is they’re feeling burning, so the pharmaceutical companies tell us that’s because we have too much acid just turn that off and you’ll be golden. When you turn that off, now you’ve turned off the acid, but that doesn’t mean that reflux has stopped. You just don’t feel it, but the problem is there are still enzymes in your stomach that are made to break down protein, which means you could be breaking down your esophagus tissue as it’s refluxing back up.
Kinna: So if somebody thinks they’re doing good because they’re on this medication and they’re really like still screwing up their esophagus?
Tony: Yeah and that’s not to say that the stomach acid is going to of more damage than the enzymes, but you shouldn’t feel like you’ve fixed everything by taking it. You know even on all the packages and all the warnings it says that this is created to use not for more than a two week period and there’s people that have been prescribed this for ten, twenty years.
Tony: But the trick is that not only will that acid kill the bacteria in the stomach like Will was saying, but the little valve, the lower esophageal sphincter, that closes so that the reflux can’t come back up, that’s triggered by stomach acid. You have to have enough stomach acid to trigger that valve to close so then stuff doesn’t come back up. So we find that unless somebody has that hernia situation that they can add more stomach acid and once they get to a high enough dose it’ll trigger that valve to close and then they don’t have the reflux anymore.
Kinna: Well, here we go with another one. Brian, and I can’t say his last name, but I think he might be famous, uh, from Warrensburg, Missouri. A lot of acid reflux the past several years now at times my throat feels closed making it hard to swallow.
Tony: Right, so you cold be damaging your throat from all the reflux there, so it is something that you want to address.
Kinna: Don’t just put a Band-Aid on it.
Tony: Right, you want to fix the issue. So take the FREE digestive course and see what’s going on with you and see if adding more acid can fix it for you.
Kinna: At kickitinthenuts.com.
Tony: Uh huh.
Kinna: Robin, GERD, very bad. Nothing works. Need Nexium, but too expensive.
Will: You know this is a really hard thing for people to fix a lot of the time. Usually because the stomach chemistry is so off for so long that sometimes it gets worse before it gets better. Like as you start to acidify the stomach, like say you try taking HCL, you usually are like causing a big volcano thing happening going on in your stomach.
Tony: There’s war going on in there.
Will: Yeah, you’re acidifying an alkaline situation with all this bacteria and they’re all fizzing and dying and it’s like a battlefield in there.
Kinna: People are waiting to be liberated.
Will: Right, yeah. C’mon! And they get way more nauseous and way more reflux initially, not always, but a lot of the time and they get scared too. Cause it’s like more pain it’s getting worse and if they are able to hang in there long enough to like actually change the pH of the stomach, once you get it below like 4.5 it’ll kill most of the bacteria in the stomach. And then you can start like actually digest your food and those symptoms of acid reflux and heartburn and all those things will start to diminish and disappear.
Tony: Right, so think about what we were saying, you know, if you use a PPI that turns off the acid, that doesn’t mean you’re not getting reflux it just means you don’t feel it. So now let’s say that you use a hydrochloric supplement to increase your stomach acid. So maybe you use one or two capsules, so now you have acid in there, but if it’s not enough to trigger the valve to close or to kill all the bacteria in there now you’re going to have reflux with acid in it. It’s going to hurt a lot more, but that again, most people if they just increase the dose to a high enough dose to acidity the stomach enough then the reflux stops all together.
Will: And also I want to make a point to about your stomach should have a resting pH of around one. Like that’s crazy super acid and a lot of people are doing things these days that are intentionally unwittingly alkalizing their stomach. Like drinking high pH water that kind of thing and so maybe they’re taking HCL, but they’re also doing it in a protein shake made of 9.5 plus pH water. So they’re constantly like adding more like sort of chemical warfare to the whole mix. So you want to make sure that like not only like if you do chose to get off your PPI, don’t just slip in something else like pH alkalizing drops or high alkaline water and that kind of thing while you’re taking your acid. Like you want to go full out and make your stomach acid and not work against yourself just because it’s pop culture to alkalize.
Tony: Right, exactly. People can get into buzzwords and do the wrong thing for them even though it was the right thing for someone else. But don’t look at it, Robin, like you need Nexium. You don’t have a Nexium deficiency. That’s not the cause of the problem. So look at what the actual cause is and if you work to fix that then you can see some relief.
Kinna: Nissa, how do I know when to decrease HCL if I never feel a burning sensation? Is nausea related to too much HCL?
Tony: So, Nissa, is how I think you say it?
Kinna & Tony:Nissa, Nissa?
Tony: Could be Nissa, but I’m gonna go with Nissa. She’s obviously a book reader and understands how to use HCL. And we tell people when they start to use them that they start with one and slowly work their way up and if you get to a dose where you feel like this warming sensation in your stomach then you know that you’ve taken more than your stomach needs. When you combine what your stomach may be making, and we don’t know what each person is making, combined with a adding more capsules in you may get too much and that’s when you know to back down a little bit. But a lot of people never really feel that warming sensation. If your symptoms start to if they’re gone like you’re not bloating or you’re not constipated and you don’t have to be constipated to not have enough stomach acid that’s just one possible symptom. If you’re not burping or having reflux all those issues that come from not having enough stomach acid then you know that you can try to reduce a little bit and see if the symptoms still stay away. If they do you can keep reducing. That’s usually not the cause of nausea. Too much acid can feel uncomfortable you may feel nauseous, but if you’re consistently nauseous it’s usually a bile flow issue. Do you want to explain why that happens?
Will: Yeah, about the nausea bit? So when you don’t have good bile flow you’re not going to break down the fats that you consume and that will make you feel really gross. Like I don’t know if you’ve ever tried to do a liver/gall bladder flush? Where you drink like a cup of olive oil and a cup of lemon juice. Like that was the most nauseating thing I’ve ever done and it feels super gross when you don’t have enough bile to match the fats that you eat. But that’s also another good indicator that you can use along with like how to know how much HCL you should take. If you start to get loose stools or diarrhea that’s a for sure thing like you need to reduce your HCL dosage until those go away. And it may not be the case that, like say you built up to four HCL and you got diarrhea, loose stools from it, you may still need to like get up to five cause your stomach acid isn’t on point, but if you don’t have the bile to match that amount of acid your supplementing with then it’s going to come out runny and loose.
Tony: Right, so you may need more acid, but maybe you don’t qualify to increase it yet.
Will: Yeah, so you have to take steps to focus on fixing your bile flow and then be able to like get up to the dosage of HCL that you need. But like you said, once you do get rid of all the symptoms of low HCL, which is like acid reflux, heartburn, burping, bloating, constipation and low blood pressure when you resolve those you can start to experiment with reducing your dosage. As long as those symptoms stay away, great, you can keep reducing and phase it out. But if you start to get those symptoms to come back you should up your ante back up to into that range where you get rid of the symptoms again.
Tony: Yeah, you know, another issue that can be related with the nausea is that think about that the bile is where your body puts all the garbage that it’s trying to remove out the stool out the back door. And so if your bile is not flowing there’s no exit strategy for all that filth and all those toxins and it just kind of hangs out in the body and you start to become toxic. That’s usually the people that are having that chronic nausea situation is they’re just so toxic that the body’s like just don’t put anything else in here. I’m gonna send you the signal of you’re about to hurl, so that you won’t put anything else in here because you’re just making it worse now leave me alone. But if you can get bile to flow toxins can get removed and you can emulsify those fats and now you’re hurl free.
Kinna: All right. Marissa, from El Paso, Texas.
Tony: Do you know her?
Kinna: I do actually.
Tony: Just cause she’s from Texas.
Kinna: Uh huh. (garbled words and tongue tied)….what you said. If you have bloat or gas use ginger. It relaxes the intestines. Constipation can be alleviated with a good dose of Aloe. If chronic, it’s time for a senna product and extra fiber.
Kinna: Senna, like Kinna, but with an “e”.
Tony: And this is pretty typical of what you hear for advice too out there. Because Aloe can make things more slippery, so if someone’s a little more constipated sometimes it can give them a little more relief, but you didn’t really fix the problem, especially if it’s a low acid problem. senna can be effective too, but I find that clients that have come to me and have tried this about 10% may have had some relief by using either of these, but for the real chronic situations it’s like the poop is just laughing at the Aloe and the senna like yeah, that ain’t gonna work.
Kinna: All right. Sorry to shoot you down, Marissa.
Tony: Yeah, so I think that we’re going to have to hit the rest of these on the next show.
Kinna: Okay, to be continued.
Tony: Cause we really have a lot, so if we didn’t get to your question tune in next week and we’re going to cover the rest of the digestion questions too.
Kinna: Exactly! And if you’re dealing with any of the following issues we have full episodes on understanding constipation, understanding acid reflux, heartburn and GERD, understanding IBS, chrohns and colitis, food sensitivities and food allergies. And you can find those by searching for Kick It Naturally on iTunes or stitcher and if you like a show please be sure to leave us a review.
Tony: If you didn’t like it then just pretend like you don’t know there’s a way to review.
Kinna: Exactly! And if you hate me, don’t write about it.
Kinna: If you wanna learn more about how to look at your own chemistry you can read any of Tony’s books or take the free 4 week digestion course at kickitinthenuts.com.
Tony: So we’ll see you next week and we’ll do more poop stuff.
Kinna: Oh yeah.
Kick It Naturally – Understanding Digestive Issues – Part 2
T.C. Hale is not a doctor and does not claim to be a doctor, licensed in any type of medical field. Don’t be an idiot and use anything heard on this show as medical advice. This information should be used for educational purposes only and you should contact your doctor for any medical advice. Now get off me.
Kinna: Welcome to Kick It Naturally, I’m Kinna McInroe, and I’m here with
T.C Hale, author, natural health expert, producer, man, homo sapien. What else? He’s got Scottish and Irish in him, he’s from Florida.
Tony: Oh, man we didn’t get a word of the day.
Kinna: Bookcase is the word of the day. We also have that laugh you heard was hottie patottie, Will Schmidt.
Kinna: Hello. Will just made some popsicles that I wanna go in there and try in a minute. What? Nina’s telling me something. Don’t you be bossy with me, missy. Oh, she’s telling me to stop moving. Awe.
Tony: We’re 50 seconds in we’re rocking out.
Will: I am really excited about those popsicles I just wanted to say to you guys we’ve got a really fun cookbook coming out soon.
Tony: Yeah, it’s gonna be awesome!
Will: I don’t know a couple months away, but it’s gonna be called “Cook For Your Chemistry” and it’ll be full of yummy, tasty, awesome, super healthy that you’ll be able to enjoy.
Tony: So were cooking stuff now and then we take pictures of it and I don’t know how you’re going to take pictures that before they melt.
Kinna: And then eat it.
Tony: How does that even work?
Will: She’s fast.
Tony: Gonna have to be.
Kinna: Setup the shot. All right so if this is your first time hearing us I’m very sad about that.
Tony: Yeah, where have you been?
Kinna: This is actually a continued show from the last show about digestion that we spent so much time on we had to make two shows into it. I have a feeling knowing these two we could probably do every show on digestion.
Tony: We really could. It’d be fun.
Kinna: Yeah and that’s my fun topic is digestion….
Kinna: Cause it always leads back to my poop.
Tony: Yeah and if you didn’t hear the first of the part 1 of this digestion show, it’s okay, cause we’re basically just answering random questions. Um, but don’t we have other specific topics too of other shows if you have these issues?
Kinna: Yeah, yeah, yeah if you didn’t hear the first one, you can always find that by searching for it on kick it naturally on iTunes or Stitcher, but if you have any of the following issues we’ve already done full episodes on like understanding constipation, understanding acid reflux, heartburn and GERD, understanding IBS, Chrohns, Colitis, food sensitivities and food allergies all those past podcasts you can also find it by searching for kick it naturally on iTunes or Stitcher. And if you like a show please be sure to leave us a review, if you don’t like it then, you know, keep your mouth shut.
Tony: If you don’t like a show then iTunes doesn’t do reviews. They don’t have it.
Kinna: Exactly, but if you do like it, then they do.
Tony: Then they do. Yeah. Um, and uh, I can’t remember what I was going to say just then, but it was something about, oh, nope I forgot still. I got excited when I thought I had it, but then…
Kinna: We’ll do a show on forgetfulness.
Tony: Yeah. That’s can be a potassium issue for some people.
Will: Let’s do one on candy.
Kinna: We’ll forget to do a show.
Tony: A lot of these we won’t get into it as in depth as we do in some of those full episodes, so if we talk about constipation a little bit and you’re like hey, I want to hear more about that then you can listen to one of those other shows.
Kinna: We’ll just give them a teaser about constipation.
Tony: Yeah, it’s just a teaser about not being able to poop.
Kinna: Uh huh, because you’re not already in enough pain so we’re going to tease you with a little bit of information. You’ll nearly get that information that you need and then we won’t give it.
Tony: And then you’ll still be like I just want to poop!
Kinna: Uh huh. Exactly!
Tony: But at the beginning of the last episode, previously on Kick It Naturally….
Kinna: Uh huh?
Tony: Will explained digestion a little bit and how it’s supposed to work, so if you don’t know, like if you think digestion is about fiber and probiotics, then I want you to go back and listen to part one first so you can get a base understanding of how it’s really supposed to work.
Kinna: You gotta have that sizzle!
Tony&Kinna: Jazz hands!
Tony: But beyond that, let’s knock these out. Let’s get into questions and see what people want to know about.
Kinna: All right. Let’s get into questions, Carmen, from New York, New York and Franz, both have the same thing. Diverticulitis!!!
Tony: And there are exclamation points that go with that.
Kinna: Uh huh.
Tony: So what happens is my understanding is with diverticulitis is these little pouches form in the colon and then either food particles or fecal matter can get in there and cause either an infection or a lot of inflammation. It seems to be a situation where there’s a lot of inflammation in the colon. You know you hear a lot about don’t eat seeds and nuts and a lot of those things that can get caught up in those little pouches. I’ve also read a lot about that there is no scientific proof showing that removing those seeds and nuts creates any benefit whatsoever, but there does seem to be some benefit from removing some of those things that can create inflammation in the intestinal tract. And grains are the biggest thing, that’s the biggest thing that causes more problems for more people than anything else. Talk about a little bit, Will, about how food that isn’t broken down can create a problem if someone is not digesting in a manner that’s turning that into elemental nutrients.
Will: Yeah, any food, not just grains or seeds whatever like it could be protein that you’re not breaking down well. If you don’t have enough stomach acid to break that down or you don’t have bile flow to break down any sort of foods that have any fats in it then those foods are going to ferment and give birth to like not cool bi-products that are toxic waste from the bacteria that is eating it and rotting it inside your system. All those things can cause inflammation cause they’ll wreak havoc inside whether it’s free radical damage or just like they’re exotoxins that are irritating the intestinal lining. So they can cause all sorts of different problems just because you didn’t have the stomach acid to break down your proteins or the bile flow to break down the fats or the combination of the two to break down foods rather completely.
Tony: And you also read a lot about that people with diverticulitis also will have slow stool motility and then they’ll have constipation issues. It kind of makes you wonder if the inflammation and the scar tissue is causing that problem? Or is it the constipation and the stool not moving and all those toxins irritating the tissues that is creating the diverticulitis issue? Who knows? It kind of seems like the constipation may be an underlying cause, so if you have diverticulitis and you’re plugged up and you poop a couple of times a week, if you’re lucky, you know fixing that issue could create some type of improvement. We do talk a lot about how to do that in the constipation episode. But other things that people say is that eating food that’s not digested is stress on the body, but so is stress. So if you’re living in a stressful situation what could somebody do about that?
Will: Well, there’s different things like that can cause stress whether you’re stuck in the fight or flight or sympathetic state because your job sucks.
Tony: Maybe Kinna can tell us about that?
Kinna: Yeah, I can tell you about jobs sucking. Ah!!!
Will: Right or like if your body chemistry is off in such a way to throw you into fight or flight. It can just make you feel stressed all the time, even if your job is awesome, like my job.
Kinna: This may be a crazy question, but if you have problems with like digestion, what if you put all your food, like protein and everything in a blender and you blended it, would that help you?
Tony: Well, that’s why people…
Kinna: Juice and stuff?
Tony: You know all the juicing all the blending is a craze because if people have no digestion and they put them in these awesome blenders that can like blend an iPhone….
Kinna: Finally they’re able to get some, but they get a lot of sugar with that.
Tony: They get some nutrients, but the problem is yeah, that those sugars turn to liquids and then you’re spiking insulin and that’s a whole other problem, but if a person can make a juice or a shake that’s not delicious..
Kinna: A salmon shake?
Tony: Yeah, like a salmon/meatloaf shake. A brussel sprouts and meatloaf shake, that’s what you want to have.
Kinna: Uh huh. Exactly.
Tony: But something without a lot of sugars in it and you’re getting those nutrients, then all of the sudden it’s beneficial, but the option could be fix digestion and then you don’t have to put your meatloaf into a blender.
Kinna: Ah!!! Okay, although that sounded fun.
Tony: But um, yeah, so reducing stress…
Will: Did you want me to say more about that?
Tony: Yeah, let’s say more about that.
Will: Yeah, so like we talked about, I’m not going to do the equation thing again, where we tell you about this little equation you can do with your breath rate and blood pressure to show that you’re in…
Tony: But where can people learn that?
Will: Yeah, if you go to mybodyofknowledge.net the blog or just type in the little search box “stress” and it’ll bring up the blog page that shows this whole big explanation of your body chemistry in relation to stress and how to know if you’re stuck in fight or flight or not and whether it’s from an external source like your job or your dog died or something like that, or if it’s from body chemistry being off. Like if your leaning towards diabetes and not processing sugars quickly, your nervous system will kind of push itself towards being stuck in fight or flight to try to help you speed glycolysis or carbohydrate metabolism. That will also like legitimately in fight or flight. It’s not just like oh, it’s just my body. Like your brain will change too. Like what it’s doing and it will prioritize trying to handle the present emergency that it thinks is there and deprioritize digesting food cause that’s secondary to running from a tiger, so even if there’s no tigers. So you will the worse you become at like handling carbohydrates the more your nervous system is stuck fight or flight and the less your body will focus on digestion. So like getting your blood sugar under control as well as like getting your life circumstances under control. Whether it’s relationship things or job things.
Tony: So it might be time for the mother-in-law to move out.
Kinna: Or time for your boss to stop walking into a room and scaring you.
Tony: Yeah. I have to like if Kinna’s like in another room of the office, I have to like make some kind of noise to let her know that I am approaching.
Kinna: Text me.
Tony: Yeah, I have to call her.
Will: You could use two trash can lids.
Tony: Yeah, two trash can lids work well.
Kinna: Cause I’m stuck in fight or flight all the time. I scream every time.
Tony: But if I walk up and say like I’m coming, it’s too late. I’ve already scared her, she screams and then you just hear pee trickling down her leg.
Will: Have you tried like warning her with a BB gun or something?
Tony: That’s a good idea.
Will: So on that blog post there’s some information about like what kind of steps you might want to take to push your chemistry out of fight or flight as well as some tips about meditation. Which can also really help if it’s a mental issue you’re working on.
Tony: Right, so the chemistry in your body can push you to a state where you’re stressed all the time, but then also stress in your life can create issues in your chemistry and in your body that cause trouble too. So it’s good to get the chemistry right and then simma down.
Kinna: Shake it up! I’d be mad if my parents named me that.
Tony: Shake it up?
Will: Kinna wasn’t being funny. That was this person’s Facebook name.
Kinna: I am kidding. I think it’s a group page or something.
Tony: So as far as I hear about people getting the best results with diverticulitis issues by removing all the foods that can cause inflammation. So there’s like a there’s a Paleo autoimmune diet or system, not system but just a formula that people follow and you’re basically removing all grains, all dairy, and all legumes. And those seem to be the things that cause the most inflammation issues for the most amount of people, so if you can remove those and see if you improve and do some steps to fix digestion so you’re really breaking food down all the sudden you might see something happen.
Kinna: Awesome! All right, So Shake It Up! This is from Shake It Up.
Tony: Yeah, I think that’s just their Facebook name.
Kinna: I know, I know, I was being funny, but nobody got it, cause they can’t see what I’m looking at, so nobody gets the joke.
Tony&Will: Right, right.
Kinna: Anyways, I was gonna say Shake was the first name, It is the middle name and Up is the last name.
Tony: That would’ve been good times.
Will: Still not funny.
Tony: Fourteen minutes in….
Kinna: And I’m still explaining that joke. Okay, passionate about Meringa? Merinja or Meringa?
Kinna: Meringa, as a natural source of nutrition, perhaps look into this as a natural remedy for those who are still looking for something that might help in this area. Good luck to all. Just love this page. Will promote, promote, promote it!
Tony: Thank you, Shake!
Kinna: Tony, are you really, Shake?
Kinna: You’re really, Shake.
Tony: Have you ever used stuff, Will?
Will: Meringa, no, but I have a lot of hippie friends that are really into it.
Will: Yeah, and they said it’s like this miracle leaf that 100% metabolized by the body.
Kinna: And they smoke it?
Will: Like your body is like a Native American with it like it doesn’t waste a single part of it and like you don’t even poop it out because it just absorbed into the body.
Tony: You just start growing leaves?
Will: Yeah, you just start growing leaves. I don’t know. I know it’s popular out there. I do know that this might be a very very useful plant in when we look at world wide agriculture because it’s apparently very easy to grow at home. It’s also pretty mineral dense and nutrient dense so people can, I think it’s even, I don’t know this for sure, but it might even be a complete protein? So people can like you know get a lot of nutrition out of something they can grow at home and I think that was one of the values that I heard a different friend talk about. As far as it being like a natural remedy that’s like saying oh, these prescription glasses are the best ever.
Will: It’s only going to work if your eyes need that.
Tony: Right, I’ve had lemon meringue pie.
Tony: Is that the same thing?
Tony: But I don’t know. I’ve never used it. I got nothing.
Will: Yeah, that’s what I got.
Tony: But thank you, Shake It Up!
Kinna: Thanks, Shake It! All right.
Tony: Kinna, can you explain that joke one more time?
Will: Please don’t.
Kinna: We’ll do a whole podcast on the joke. Uh, Julie, from Graniteville, South Carolina and Muhammad, from Jakarta, Indonesia, from two totally different places on the planet, yet they have the same exact question….nearly.
Will: The exact same?
Kinna: Nearly, nearly the same exact question. I have always had abdominal pains every time I eat. I have acid reflux, but I think I don’t digest my food properly. Help!
Tony: I think that Julie’s right.
Will: I think she’s right, too.
Kinna: And Muhammad cause his question was the same I just combined the questions.
Will: Did they come in at the same time?
Kinna: They were right underneath each other, yeah.
Tony: We’re international.
Kinna: Maybe they’re seeing each other? Julie and Muhammad.
Will: I bet they’re both right, though, I bet they’re not digesting their food well.
Will: You know, if it’s hurting every time they eat.
Tony: And that’s a lot of people.
Tony: Can you imagine that every time you eat here comes pain. Like you know it’s coming. I’ve seen clients like that.
Will: That’s a good diet strategy, right?
Tony: I get punched in the face every time I have a salad.
Will: Right. We talk a lot about reflux on pretty much every episode that we’ve covered.
Tony: So listen to all the episodes.
Will: Previously and you’ll know. But it’s usually from not having enough stomach acid and without enough acid you don’t digest your food properly, so that line of thinking is probably correct.
Kinna: Which is the exact opposite of what like commercials and doctors and the prescription companies want you to think.
Will: Yeah, yeah, it’s very backwards. So I totally recommend you guys take our free course on correcting digestive issues at kickitinthenuts.com and it’ll help you debunk the whole misconception about acid reflux and learn how to take steps to fix it.
Tony: And let’s think about pain for just a second. So if you could reach in and grab your intestines…
Will: That would hurt.
Tony: And you could tie it to the door and then you could slam the door you’d be like that hurts. That does hurt. I see why that’s not good. So if you’re not digesting your food, the food has to break down by rotting and fermenting and both of those things create these gases that then expand in your intestinal tract which is expanding the size of that intestinal tract like your were stretching it on the door. So a lot of people experience pain like that and then if they can improve that digestion so that they can actually break down food correctly and all that gas goes away then all the sudden they don’t have pain and they’re like wow, I ate food and I liked it.
Kinna: Yeah, all I experience when I eat food is love.
Tony: Uh huh.
Will: You’re an angel.
Kinna: It just makes me feel good.
Tony: But the fact that you’re having reflux, is a good confirmation that you don’t have enough stomach acid and that’s where that pain is coming from is from food that’s not broken down.
Will: I’ve had clients too before they’ve had no where near enough stomach acid and if they went longer than a few hours, longer than three or four hours, they would get this super sharp pain like someone stabbing them in the stomach and that too I think is from gas from all that like weird fermentation stuff that was going on and we fixed it when we got enough HCL in there. So whether it’s when you eat or because you don’t eat, it shouldn’t hurt regardless.
Tony: Right and if you’re getting horrible like cramps too that could also be bacteria that they kind of do this thing where if some of them are dying off they kind of clamp on to the side of your stomach it can be a similar kind of cramping pain too.
Tony: But if you had enough stomach acid you would kill those bacteria.
Kinna: Anne, all Anne says is eating disorders. Which I don’t understand?
Tony: Well, Will, will explain all that cause he works with all the Hollywood actress chicks.
Will: I do. Yeah, I call it the Hollywood girl profile. Like it’s so common. Just walking in the door you can just tell like okay, their urine pH is gonna be high, they’re going to be constipated, they don’t have enough stomach acid, they’re gonna only live off of sugar…
Tony: Their blood pressure’s gonna be 95/70.
Tony: It’s gonna be Kinna’s.
Will: Yeah, it’s just super typical. Whether they’re successfully starving themselves and skinny or they’re just like skinny fat, you know, depends where they’re at in the whole trajectory, but when you under eat, not that all eating disorders is under eating, but generally, when you don’t get enough food, nutrition, digestion whether you’re bulimic or like starving yourself and then binging or whatever you deplete your body of the electrolytes like chloride that it needs to make stomach acid. And you’re also interfering with your hormone levels and things like that that can mess with your bile production. So, you’re going to have a really hard time digesting food without those digestive juices. So a lot of times people will end up in really tricky predicaments that they can’t really digest any food anymore cause they went so long without eating it that they lost all the resources they need to break it down.
Tony: So it’s this catch 22 sort of thing.
Kinna: Yeah, if you don’t use it you’ll lose it.
Will: Right. And then another thing I’ve had clients will come to me with like a lot of issues like that and they’ll usually fall into some sort of state of like depression and anxiety and forgetfulness and just feel really bloated and gross all the time. Maybe they spent years anorexic and they’re trying to come out of it. But what’s interesting is I’ll show them how to fix digestion and they’ll start to have blood pressure again and like blood sugar and they’ll freak out because they’ll start putting on maybe a little lean muscle or they’ll start to actually be able to have enough like water retention in their muscles that they gain a little weight and then they’ll start under eating again because they like to be waif thin and they get stuck in that situation. It’s just an unhealthy thing to try to be Ethiopian.
Tony: Right, but there are also other stages of this. You know someone trying to be a Hollywood actress is different from someone who weighs 80lbs. and looks skeletal type of situation. And I don’t think we’ve really done a show where we’ve gotten into mental disorders or situations like bipolar disorder. You know when done a little bit of depression and stuff like that, but we find that with a lot of these issues it’s a problem of the brain not getting the resources it needs to function.
Kinna: Instead of, you know, somebody was mean to me when I was a kid. It’s really their body that’s got some, I mean they might have some issues or some trauma, but it’s really kind of like with their body?
Tony: Right. If the minerals are not there, so that the signals can travel, then the brain can’t function correctly. So we’re taught that if we sit in front of a psychologist and we talk for 47 hours and we get billed for everyone one of those hours, then we can eventually figure out what it was that upset us.
Kinna: So that’s a totally useless profession?
Tony: I won’t say it’s useless because people can benefit from it. Uh, but I will say that everybody has something. You know everybody has something that they were upset about when they were a kid. I never got a drum set. I always wanted a drum set. I feel like I need to talk about that right now. Um, but you know, it’s usually a issue of all of those issues that we have, if we don’t have the resources to deal with them, they become a ten, but if our brain, our body was functioning in a manner that signals could process correctly we could view things realistically because there’s enough electricity in the body for the brain to function correctly. Then all of the sudden we can look at those issues rationally. Maybe that problem is still there, but it’s more of three instead of a ten. It’s something that we can deal with and we can manage, but if someone gets stuck in a situation, maybe their digestion isn’t working, so they have these low minerals. The brain isn’t able to function correctly. Their view is that if they eat they’ll get fat. Even thought they look ill and they look like skeletal. Um, to them, it’s still they’re doing the right thing. They know that if they just hurl after every meal that they everything’s gonna be fine and there’s a release that comes with that. And the endorphins are almost like the nutrition that they’re not getting. So there are reasons that they do it. It’s not that they’re just mental or what’s wrong with these people? Let’s put ‘em on drugs. It’s a problem of the body trying to function without gas. If you want to go to Target, Target has some cool stuff for like a K-Mart type store. I like going to Target.
Kinna: Did you just discover Target?
Tony: No, I’m just saying.
Kinna: Okay, cause I’ve known about Target for years now.
Tony: I know, but I feel like I don’t want to just blow past that.
Kinna: Target is pretty awesome.
Tony: But anyways if you want to go to Target and you don’t have any gas in your car then you’re gonna be all pissed off when you break down halfway there and you’re like man, I wanted to go to Target.
Will: You’re right!
Tony: Book case!
Will: We’ve also covered these like and we don’t want to dismiss legitimate external causes like if you were in a war, Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome, that’s totally legit and we talk more in depth about this on episodes on depression and anxiety. What we want to say is sometimes, it’s just body chemistry and pretty much all the time, working on your body chemistry can help, even if it’s a for real thing like plane crash you survive or whatever you know.
Kinna: My bile’s too thick.
Will: Yeah, I also want to take a moment to point out my favorite book about this whole issue, “Nutrition In Your Mind”, written by George Watson.
Tony: Yeah, you can’t buy that at Target, but it’s good.
Will: It is a really good book and in that he talks all about how fundamental having a well-balanced metabolism is to mental health. And we talk about that a lot when we look at the slow and fast oxidizer imbalances. The rate at which your body is burning through the different fuels: proteins, fats and carbs. Which you can tell a lot about by your breath rate, so if you’re dealing with eating disorders and things like that, it may be a great idea to see a therapist, but it’s also a really good idea to look at where’s my mental health at? Like is my blood pressure balanced? Is my breath rate where it should be at? Is my digestion effective? Because handling those things can usually help you not only feel a lot more comfortable when you eat, so you don’t feel like a bloated marshmallow when you eat cause the food is breaking down. Also, like your brain will start to be able to run right and your hormones and mood will start to balance out because of that.
Tony: Right, so it’s not eliminating life problems. It’s just making it to where you can rationalize them and work through them in your head easier. If a problem is a six or seven we can usually deal with that, it’s when it’s a ten that you’re flipping out. George Watson’s book is great because he talks about he went into mental hospitals worked with full on Schizophrenics, they were freaking out, not even speaking a language and when he fixed their chemistry, so that their brain could get fuel all of the sudden they were like, so like where should we go to lunch today?
Tony: Want me to vacuum something before we go?
Will: Target has food.
Tony: Yeah, Target has a little food court thing. So, it really is….you got to look at that and if you’re dealing with eating disorders and these issues go back to digestion which is why we’re talking about cause digestion working is how we pull the nutrients out of what we’re eating.
Kinna: Barbara, from Jackson, Ohio and Pat both have Ulcerative Colitis.
Tony: So this can be a tricky situation and a lot of times this can result in chronic diarrhea situations. The person has to know where are bathrooms. They can’t go anywhere without knowing where the bathrooms are cause they may have to go at any time. It seems to be an inflammation issue and we talked about like Chrohns and Colitis in another episode. Why don’t you explain the bile issue there and then I’ll explain another issue that can go with this Ulcerative Colitis stuff.
Will: So the main set of issues that we’ll get when bile is not on point is that it’ll become too sticky and not flow when it should and that often times goes along with the catabolic imbalance and there’s some science behind it that I don’t quite understand, but I do know that if you focus on fixing the catabolic imbalance and usually utilize the supplements we recommend like beet flow and maybe even a coffee enema it can get your bile to start flowing well.
Tony: And what’s a catabolic imbalance for people that don’t know or who haven’t heard?
Will: Yeah, mainly it’s an issue at the cellular level. When the balance of the fats that make up the membrane are imbalanced. There are too many fatty acids and not enough saturated fats or sterols, so it creates this state of like hyper oxidation or excess oxidation. And your body starts to be in a tissue break down state. Kind of like it’s always on like a car engine that’s driving fast.
Will: As opposed to one parked at a gas station fueling up, which is more like the resting state.
Tony: Can it be parked at Target?
Will: It could be parked at Target.
Will: And if there happened to be a pump station that would be very closer…
Tony: That’d be a cool Target.
Will: Yeah, right.
Tony: That sounds more like a Costco.
Will: Right, so that’s the opposite side. The rest, digest, rebuild anabolic state, but the catabolic state is that active, on, oxidizing, car engine running state, which you want to be in during the day, but if you’re in that all the time it creates different metabolic imbalances. One of them being the bile starts to get stickier which is where you’ll end up with things like gallstones. So when that’s not flowing well it’s going to cause irritation inside the intestinal tract cause you need that bile to like calm down the sizzle of the stomach acid. You need it also to break down fats. The main damage that’s caused by it the pH of that stool isn’t neutralized you’re going to start to cause a lot of irritation and that’s where we’ll start to get ulcers.
Tony: Right, so that acid the stomach is built to withstand that acid to handle it. So when the food leaves it that’s when that bile neutralizes it so it’s not acidic anymore, but if there’s not bile now the acid is moving through the intestinal tract and it’s built to digest protein which is what your intestinal tract is made of. So you know, you’ve got to kind of wonder is the start of the inflammation just this hot stool digesting the intestinal lining creating this inflammation and that could be the case for some people. Another issue is that, there’s a lot of evidence out there that grains, especially you know gluten, can be an irritant for a lot of people and whether it’s because they’re not breaking it down or not who knows, but it’s like Robb Wolff, when we interviewed Robb Wolf for the movie, name drop, you know he got into this because he had ulcerative colitis and it was really bad and he was very sick and he dropped grains and got rid of dairy and legumes and he saw improvement that way. So if you can remove the thing that’s causing the irritation whether it be a food irritant or…
Kinna: Or a person.
Tony: Or a person…right. Which?
Kinna: I’m gonna remove you, Tony.
Tony: Okay. So if you can remove it or the issue of the hot poop where it’s not cooled off by the bile. No matter which one you remove you could see some improvement that way.
Kinna: So they have hot poop coming out?
Will: Well, acid.
Tony: Yeah, it’s just acid. I mean it’s not..
Kinna: But it’s warm?
Tony: Well, no, but a lot of people will say when I poop like my butt burns. You know because it’s still it was never neutralized it’s just too acidic. When it is that acidic and it’s burning the intestinal tract that’s when the body’s like get it out of here. Then it brings as much water as it can to neutralize it, but then when you sit on the toilet you kind of shoot off like a rocket when it comes out cause it’s in a hurry to get it out.
Kinna: Have you watched me on the toilet? Cause you…
Tony: Yeah, I have cameras.
Kinna: Okay. Stacy, ever try diatomaceous earth? Could just be worms. Doh?!
Will: That Doh was in there. She did write that.
Kinna: That’s what she wrote at the end, but with a question mark and an exclamation point. Doh?!
Tony: I’ve used it before. Basically, my understanding of it is that it’s like this, it’s just a substance it’s natural you can consume it, but at the microscopic level it’s like broken up glass and so if you have parasites in your body when they crawl over it shreds them up and they die.
Will: Doesn’t it shred you up too?
Tony: That’s what I would think. If a grain can shred up my intestines can’t…
Will & Tony: Can’t glass?
Kinna: It says, I read about it and said that it’s okay for humans, but not for animals.
Tony: It is okay and it’s supposed to be fine for us, but who knows. If you have a parasite issue it can cause a lot of issues with digestion and a lot of problems, but there are other steps you can do too, but that’s kind of what that’s used for.
Will: Probably wouldn’t want to do that if you have ulcers.
Tony: Yeah, probably not.
Kinna: Laura, from Columbia, Missouri. For abdominal discomfort try digestive enzymes before meals.
Tony: Sure, Laura or with meals. Doesn’t have to be before, but with and we use enzymes and we use enzymes and we teach about enzymes in the course. Do you want to talk about why they can be beneficial, Will Wolfgang Schmidt?
Will: Yeah, sure and we do like enzymes a lot. And we help people understand thinking about them like little keys that can help unlock different molecules.
Tony: They don’t dance like the other things?
Will: They don’t. They just stand guard and open things. And that’s useful. A lot of times when people have issues with particular types of foods like dairy simply introducing the right enzymes for them, lactase, can help break down the lactose.
Tony: So they may be just missing the enzyme needed to break down that type of food.
Will: Yeah, so it can be a really helpful thing. There’s a product we like called Omnizyme, but there’s some other good digestive enzymes out there on the market.
Tony: There’s quite a lot out there, that’s one of those things that’s hard to mess up, unless you’re putting bad binders in it. Most enzyme products are decent. The other thing is that when we cook food over 118 degrees…
Will: Oh right. Yeah.
Tony: We kill the enzymes in the food.
Will: Yeah, so it’s tricky because there are enzymes in tact in foods that are raw, and when you heat them and cook them you destroy that piece of it, but a lot of like other foods like have digestive inhibitors when they’re in like a raw state, so by cooking them helps them break it down more. So it’s kind of this weird catch 22, but the most effective most supportive thing you can do is to if you do cook your food, take your digestive enzymes with it and if you have problems eating raw food then you might want to cook your foods then.
Tony: Right, now enzymes are a small piece of the puzzle. It’s very important, especially the older you get, because we tend to use up our reserve of enzymes, but we could probably find seven or eight people on this list of questions that we’ve had in the past two shows where enzymes would not have even budged them at all. It wouldn’t have created any improvement and then they would have been like well, I guess I’m broken, I did what they said and it still doesn’t do anything. You still have that structure of stomach acid and bile flow and then enzymes become beneficial. But there are a lot of issues that enzymes by themselves will not fix.
Kinna: Terry, from Spokane, Washington. Drink sour goat’s milk or better yet sour camel’s milk.
Will & Tony: Okay.
Kinna: Now we got to find a camel?
Tony: I know.
Kinna: That might be hard.
Will: Like a sour one.
Tony: He’s got to be mad.
Kinna: Yuck! Disgusting. Maybe a llama?
Will: We do like goat milk cause generally the proteins are closer to like human size like breast milk. I do not know about camel milk protein.
Kinna: Closer to human size? Like breast milk?
Will: Yeah, but the proteins in goat milk are much….
Kinna: I thought you were talking about their breasts.
Will: Well, I don’t know how big goat breasts are, but the proteins in their milk are pretty close to human size so we like goat milk. Camel milk, I just don’t know. The need for sour ones, I think this gets into the ideas of like you should eat more fermented things.
Tony: Could be.
Kinna: But like raw milk, like just raw milk that you know when I was transcribing stuff for the documentary that guy that was saying if you can get your hands on some good raw milk that it’s really good.
Tony: And I think it’s more beneficial than pasteurized milk or any type of milk that you’re talking about. There’s a lot of data out there about cow milk not being right for us in any way, but if you’re gonna drink it then raw seems to be a better situation.
Kinna: We also take that dairy digestant thing that I just love.
Tony: Right, that’s a digestive enzyme with lactase in there can help a lot of people digest dairy better and I don’t know anything about camel milk either, but I do want to ride a camel.
Kinna: Me too. You could go to Target. You could ride a camel to Target. Bethany, all she says is H. Pylori.
Tony: Jezum Manetti. We got to talk about this one some.
Will: Yeah. I’ll say the part I know and then you can fill in the rest.
Will: So H. Pylori is a bacteria that can run rampant in your system and eat up all your hydrogen. So hydrochloric acid, stomach acid, is made of hydrogen and chloride and if you don’t have any hydrogen you can’t make hydrochloric acid. So same thing happens when you take a PPI it also like sequesters all your hydrogen or blocks you…..
Tony: blocks your ability to make it.
Will: Yeah, and that’s no fun because then you don’t have any stomach acid.
Tony: Right, so and H. Pylori likes it so then they can thrive in that environment there. Um, but it can be a very hard situation to eradicate. You know, this is actually the reason why PPI’s were developed. Was for H. Pylori. They were looking for a way to starve this bacteria that is very common and very problematic. So they created this proton pump inhibitor, which blocked that hydrogen, so now the H. Pylori didn’t have food and they starved. Then they were like ooh, this turns off heartburn symptoms and they realized that they could market it that way and that’s how all that was born. H. Pylori can be very hard to kill and if you go to kickitinthenuts.com and you search engine H. Pylori protocol in the blog post then I put a lot of the things that I use and most people need to use more than one thing. Most people can’t eradicate an H. Pylori infection by just using one method. You not only need to improve your stomach acid, but you need to do other things to wipe out the bacteria and usually more than one thing. And here’s a tricky thing that I’ve just been researching in this last month and it’s new information to me, but it’s pretty crazy and what they’re finding is that a lot of bacteria like this can create this biofilm. Where when an infection goes in the body it’s in a planktonic form, think of it like plankton in the ocean, it’s just swimming around and if you put something in there you kill it. But if it’s a chronic infection and they’ve been in there for a while, they have these sensors that they send out that can be like hey, who else is around me and when all these bacteria find out that they’re in there together then they kind of group together and build like this protein layer around them so that antibiotics can’t kill them. And other even natural things can’t kill them. So they’re finding now that you have to use agents to break down that protein barrier and then use something to kill them. And there’s a guy Dr. Michael Ruscio, R-U-S-C-I-O. He has a couple of videos on Youtube that you can search for and he talks about /explains a little bit about what’s going on. As long as H. Pylori is in there and they’re turning off your ability to make hydrochloric acid, they’re turning of your digestion and all these other problems that we’re talking about can be created. So it is important to find ways to wipe it out as best you can, if you’re dealing with it. That’s all I have to say about that.
Kinna: All right. That’s it. Sooner fan.
Tony: Did you guys leave?
Kinna: I was taking a nap.
Will: I was taking notes.
Kinna: Um, Sooner fan. I don’t know if he’s a Sooner fan or that’s just…
Tony: He’s just in a hurry.
Kinna: Yeah, exactly.
Tony: He wants things now
Kinna: I just got that.
Tony: That’s okay.
Kinna: I carried around bottles of Tums from childhood until my 40’s. Whoa, that’s an interesting thing.
Tony: You should use it or throw it away.
Kinna: Yeah, exactly. Everything made me burp, belch and upset my stomach. A plant guru told me to lose the antacids pills and take up coke and 7Up etc. I’ve not had a problem since then. If I’m burping, belching bloated pain etc. I have a few swallows of pop and the acid in it aids the acids in my stomach to digest the foods. I will have two to three large burps and it ends. That was fifteen years ago, no antacids since then, but now I’m diabetic.
Tony: That was awesome.
Kinna: I added the end part.
Tony: Um, Do you?
Will: Yeah, this is a good sort of example of a partial solution, right?
Tony: Yeah, or a solution for someone who may have just been on that border.
Tony: Maybe they’re making some acid, but not enough.
Will: Yeah, I mean cause coke that is pretty acidic. Like I think you can clean blood off a highway with it?
Tony: Right, we just had something on the Facebook page where you can clean your toilet with it and all this other stuff.
Will: Yeah, and that can work and you can also take hydrochloric acid and not get all the weird chemicals and toxins and sugars and stuff that’s in coke, but I’m glad that you found a solution.
Tony: Right, and the carbon and stuff in sodas too can be acidic and that can be creating more acids, so if you’re on that barrier where you just need a little more acid then it could help you, but you can see that you’re still having a problem. Cause you’re saying every time it happens I just take a little and then I’m golden. But if you fix the issue then you won’t need that cause your body will make it’s own.
Will: And that’s another kind of tricky thing like a lot of times people will ask me how did my digestion get so messed up? There are lots of different reasons why you could screw it up, but one of them that’s never really talked about is the different imbalances that we get into detail about like the catabolic issue and the anabolic issue and how those effect the different digestive juices. The anabolic person peeing out their chloride or the catabolic person’s bile becoming sticky. So those things are going to keep being an issue until you fix those particular imbalances if that’s what’s going on with you.
Tony: And we teach you how to do that in all our books and in the courses at kickitinthenuts and the digestion course is free.
Kinna: And when people ask how did their digestion ever get so screwed up, I just go back to like oh my God, my childhood! Like all we ate was processed, you know.
Kinna: We lived in a tiny little West Texas town. There was nothing in the town except a McDonalds and Burger King. And you know even now, going to the grocery stores there I never find organic, the only kind of lettuce I find is iceberg. My mom didn’t even know that spinach existed outside of can. You know so it’s like…
Tony: It was in cartoons.
Kinna: It’s like different places it’s regional. I think a lot of it with people’s imbalances because some places are these, I don’t know what Michelle Obama calls them, but these dry wastelands where nobody can get fresh fruits and vegetables or good food. They have like 7-Elevens as their stores.
Tony: Growing up at my house if we were out of Little Debbie snack cakes I was baffled. I was like what do you mean we’re out? I don’t understand.
Kinna: Uh huh. Oh yeah, we had just a snack cabinet and that’s all we had in the cabinet and we had a just a full Island of just chips. Any kind of chips you want.
Will: In your house?
Kinna: Yeah, thus the weight problem.
Tony: That’s advanced.
Kinna: So I was like, I’d be like in third grade and here would come the Swan Man, you know, and I would go out and like get chicken fried steaks and stuff from him then I’d fry it in a Fry Daddy and then grate cheese on it and then melt it in a microwave and then dip ranch on it. When I was like in third grade. So…
Will: Wow. I thought my mom was bad for microwaving broccoli.
Kinna: Oh yeah, no! It was bad. It was bad.
Tony: Yeah, so there’s a lot of things that can create the issues, but the good news is that you can look at your physiology to start to get some hints of what those issues are and you can start to take some steps to improve them. So if you’re living with these horrible digestive issues that are just, I mean some of them can control your whole life, just know that if you’re willing to do the work, that you can take steps to find improvement.
Kinna: Cool and if you have any questions regarding…here I go again trying to find them, Okay if you’re dealing with any of the following issue we have full episodes on constipation, acid reflux, heartburn, GERD, IBS, chrohns, colitis, food sensitivities and food allergies. So, you can find any of those by searching for it in Kick It Naturally in iTunes or Stitcher and if you like a show, please be sure to leave us a review.
Tony: And if you have a topic that we haven’t covered then let us know. Go to Facebook and let us know and we’ll show it up!
Kinna: Yeah, just like us at kick it in the nuts on Facebook and yeah, let’s see if you wanna learn more about how to look at your own chemistry you can read any of Tony’s books or take the FREE four week digestion course at kickitinthenuts.com. You can also go to Will’s mybodyofknowledge.net and he’s also on Facebook too. I think he has a Facebook page mybodyofknowledge.net or mybodyofknowledge.
Will: Yeah, mybodyofknowledge.
Kinna: On Facebook. Until next week people!
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