Kick it naturally – Understanding IBS, Crohns, and Colitis
T.C. Hale is not a doctor and does not claim to be a doctor, licensed in any type of medical field. Don’t be an idiot and use anything heard on this show as medical advice. This information should be used for educational purposes only and you should contact your doctor for any medical advice. Now get off me.
Kinna: Welcome to Kick it Naturally, I’m Kinna McInroe, and I’m here today with T.C. Hale, author, natural health expert and pain in my butt.
Tony: I can’t wait to say things.
Kinna: Oh, yeah. And I just made a funny without even realizing it. Pain in my butt and that’s kind of what we’re talking about today.
Tony: We are talking about that today.
Kinna: Oh, Cool. And we also have here…
Will: Not the good kind of pain….in the butt.
Kinna: Wow, we’re going there right off the bat. Ok. We also have with us over there a hottie, Will Schmidt. Fitness trainer to the stars and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Um, how are you today, Will?
Will: I’m good. Pretty warm.
Kinna: Aw…well, you look cute.
Kinna: Yeah. He’s got on a tank top cause it’s warm outside.
Tony: It’s pretty.
Kinna: Uh huh. Yeah, yeah. I think you’re gonna make Tony go a different way.
Tony: You want me to take my pants off? Or an other different way?
Will: Now that we got all the kids out of the audience.
Kinna: Well, are kids really listening to us anyways?
Kinna: That’s probably not our target, so we can be as filthy as we like.
Tony: And go…filthy.
Kinna: Here we go…. filthy talk. So today we’re going to be talking about the ugly subject that a lot of us have dealt with. I haven’t dealt with like these particular things, but I do deal with diarrhea. Um, which sucks. But IBS, Chrohns and Colitis.
Tony: It’s good times.
Kinna: I always thought colitis was one of those things that you look through and you see like…
Tony: A KaleidaGraph? That’s what they call ‘em.
Kinna: Yeah, yeah, so yeah, think I was off there.
Tony: I actually saw a spirograph in the store. Remember that thing where you had the pins and it had different colors and you’d do circles and it’d do all these designs? Am I the only one that’s old enough to remember that?
Kinna: I think so.
Tony: All the cool kids had spirographs.
Will: Just thinking about what an actual kaleidoscope would be.
Kinna: All the cool old kids.
Tony: Yeah, a Kaleidoscope would not be fun to look into.
Kinna: Ok. So what are these things? Why are they, what makes them different? What are they? What is it all about.
Tony: So IBS it actually stands for, “I don’t know what the hell’s wrong with your ass, but if I give you this diagnosis, I can prescribe a drug to you and maybe you’ll leave my office.”
Tony: Because it kind of covers almost anything. And they’ll diagnose IBS if you have had intestinal discomfort or diarrhea 3 times in a month or like 3 times in a week over a 3 month period. It’s something where there is no real test where they look to see if you have IBS just if you have a consistent flow of some kind of discomfort, constipation, diarrhea, cramping, bloating any of that, then walacazah, you win the IBS stamp!
Kinna: So but irritable bowel syndrome…couldn’t somebody just like give it some therapy or something if it’s so irritable.
Tony: If it’s irritable.
Kinna: Maybe make it happy again.
Tony: Have it meditate? Have your colon meditate?
Tony: I don’t think anyone’s thought of that, but I don’t think it will work.
Kinna: I’m gonna start that. Meditation for your colon.
Will: But I think it’s also really important to look to take a moment to really point out the jargon ya know and the problems that come when people get scared of jargon. Like if you look at Colitis or even arthritis or anything that ends in “itis” is swelling. So, like when like I went into the doctor when I had this really bad knee problem, they were like oh, you have patellar tendonitis.
Kinna: And penisitis. Ahhhhh!
Will: You know. So if you know that “itis” just means swelling, like I say hey, doc, my knee is really swollen right here, what he just said back to you was, hey, your knee is really swollen right here, “itis”, patellar tendonitis, if you know those, when you look at colitis, what that means is a swelling of the colon, like why….
Tony: Inflammation type situation.
Kinna: I’m not fat, I just have a swollen, colon.
Will: Swollen colon, yeah.
Tony: That’s not a good thing.
Will: That could be my DJ name.
Kinna: Yeah, the swollen colon.
Tony: One thing, that is super important to understand, is that there are different variations of actual, IBS, they have split it up into 4 categories, of uh, you know, constipation, diarrhea, or going back and forth between both, and then the forth one is just, I don’t know, I don’t know. But, when you look at these situations, IBS, Crohns, or colitis, the diagnosis that a person will get, can depend on, where the actual inflammation is going on, what part of the intestinal tract it’s happening, but, um, it’s important to understand, that there is no way to treat, this symptom. There is no symptom remedy, for this, so don’t look for one, because, there could be so many different causes going on, and that’s what we will kind of try and talk about today, is all the different causes that can create all of these symptoms that can result in a diagnosis of one of these fancy things.
Will: Yeah, and if you have been diagnosed in them, I think it’s a really important thing to meditate on just the fact that just cause…
Tony: Colon meditation again?
Will: Yes, just cause you were given a diagnosis which is essentially a description of your symptoms, most of the time. Like colitis, swollen colon whatever. Crohns is more close to the end of the small intestine or IBS is just irritated. Just receiving that diagnosis doesn’t solve anything and it doesn’t conclude anything. Like from you the active patient’s stance in your life and how that’s going to impact you. Cause if you get overwhelmed like oh, no, I have Crohns Disease, then you’re probably going to just fall into the doctors lap and do whatever they say. Like whatever drugs to take.
Kinna: I do that all the time.
Will: Right, well, not for fun! Talking about out of fear, well maybe you do that. I don’t know. But when you just except a diagnosis like that you usually just get scared and stop thinking and just take drugs cause they say so. But if you look at well, why are these tissues inside my digestive tract swelling? Then you can start, cause if you ask your doctor that then they’re going to give you that it’s partially genetic, partially environmental, it has nothing to do with nutrition and all these things.
Tony: Yeah, when you look up the description of any of these things they all say the cause of these are unknown and that’s basically what they’re sticking to. But another thing a diagnosis can do for a person is they could be walking around like what is wrong with my butt. Like why does stuff just come out of it all the time and they feel like I’m a circus freak, something’s wrong with me, so when somebody’s diagnosed with something it puts them into a group of oh, ok, it’s not just me, a lot of people deal with this, so at least I fit in somewhere, and people aren’t going to pay two tickets to see me at a carnival or something.
Kinna: You know, lately, my butt has been a little bit itchy. Like, I feel like one of those dogs that goes across the floor, and scoots across the floor, what’s that about? Do I have a worm?
Tony: I think it’s just, you’re showing off, yeah.
Will: You got worms.
Tony: That can be a parasite situation.
Kinna: Oh great! Great. Great.
Tony: Which is awesome.
Kinna: Great, great, I thought it was just dry. I’ve been putting lotion in my….
Tony: And just remind me to get some kind of Stanley steamer or something this week so we can do the floors here in the office.
Kinna: Yeah, uh huh. And before I forget, if you guys haven’t followed us on Facebook, then you guys are just totally not cool. Cause we do the Harlem Shake there.
Will: That’s my next video.
Kinna: So go ahead and like us at kickitinthenuts and we’re gonna post topics every week about future shows and you guys can posts questions you want us to cover and you know we’ll do that.
Tony: Yeah. We post a topic, all the questions you’ll hear today are from people that asked them on Facebook or sent us emails, so do that so if you have questions you can ask. So before we get into the questions I want to cover a little bit about IBS and because there’s such a great variance there. A lot of people who are diagnosed with IBS cause it seems to be about twice as many women as men. Um, are being diagnosed with the bloating and the cramping and the constipation. And we have another episode on constipation alone, so if that’s an issue that you’re dealing with you can listen to that episode and we’ll go into things a lot more detail there. Just search for kick it naturally on iTunes and you’ll see our old episodes. Um, but maybe we’ll talk a little briefly about constipation here, um, because one issue that people get confused about is how can I be constipated for 3 days and then I have diarrhea for 3 days? And um, that can have a lot to do with an inability to properly digest food, so all that food is rotting and fermenting and creating gases without enough stomach acid to break it down it doesn’t move through the intestinal tract. The more alkaline that food is, from a lack of stomach acid it moves slower. So a doctor will say you have slow motility, that’s what he’ll tell ya. And if you have diarrhea, you have fast motility, but we’re gonna talk today about why that happens. Will, you wanna talk a little bit about slow and fast.
Will: Yeah, so like you just said like typically the more alkaline the content of the digestive system is the lower it will move through your system. So when you have a lot of stomach acid and no bile to make it alkaline you’ll tend towards diarrhea and loose stools. And it’s the opposite when you don’t have good stomach acid production, but your bile flow may be o.k. then you’ll tend towards really compact stools and constipation. But you can have both problems occurring.
Tony: Right. And another thing that can create constipation is we talk sometimes about an anabolic imbalance where at the cellular level it’s too closed and you can learn about these imbalances or these issues in our FREE 4 week digestion course at kickitinthenuts.com, but if the body doesn’t have the resources to switch from an anabolic state where the cells are closed and then during the day switch to a catabolic state where the cells are more open, um, they can get stuck in one state. And if the body doesn’t have the resources to switch back and forth like it should then all the water can either go through the kidneys and not enough to the bowel which will make you constipated. Or too much water can go to the bowel and not enough to the kidneys and that’ll make your stool all loose and diarrhea action kind of thing. So what could happen is a person can get stuck in that constipated state for 3 or 4 days and everything’s backing up and like poop is coming out their ears and then the body’s like well, this isn’t going to work, my ears smell like poop, um, so it’ll take all the resources it can to switch the person over to a catabolic state and now they’re stuck there and now they’re having diarrhea.
Kinna: But is it better to like have diarrhea as opposed to being constipated. Is there something that’s better. I mean they’re probably not either one of them are good, but would it be better to get it out of your body then to have it all stuck in there compacted?
Tony: It can be both. Both can have their downsides to them you know. There’s problems that can come from constipation where the body can’t get rid of filth, but with diarrhea, all the food that you’re eating is moving through the intestinal tract too fast and you can’t absorb anything so you can’t get any nutrients. And what happens then, Will?
Will: Both of them are problems. I guess you could look at it short sided if someone has low blood pressure, having diarrhea would be just horrible. Cause that would tend to make them even lower and lower. Where as constipation it’s still not comfortable, but they won’t feel like such a train wreck as if they had low blood pressure.
Tony: Right. They may feel lousy, but they won’t fall apart and be hardly a human and unreasonable and all those things that come with low blood pressure.
Will: Where if you are trying to lose weight, maybe diarrhea would be better, but you would still have issues with blood sugar cause if you’re not digesting your food, you’re just gonna probably be eating a lot of sugary stuff.
Tony: Right. You’re gonna crave all that junk.
Will: And that will keep you fat.
Tony: Right. So you want neither. You want poop that you can talk about and show your kids.
Kinna: I wanna be proud of my poop.
Tony: Right. Yeah.
Kinna: Well, my sister lives off of Metamucil and Exlax and stuff and she can go literally for over a week without pooping.
Tony: Wow, that’s real bad.
Kinna: Yeah. So, she needs to listen to this episode. I’m gonna make her.
Tony: Basically if that’s the case, you’re full of crap.
Kinna: Yeah, she is too. She’s full of crap all the time.
Tony: See how that works out. Exactly, so you need the waste in your body to get out of your body. That’s why we have a butt. It’s made for that.
Kinna: Ok. Alright.
Tony: So you really wanna do that. So, um, when we’re looking at IBS, in that scenario, if that’s you, if the bloating the cramping, um, the constipation, you know, that bloating is coming from food not being broken down, and rotting, and fermenting, and then your intestine track expands, and then that’s painful, it’s not supposed to expand that much from all of that gas, um so, that can create a lot of discomfort. So, uh, check out that constipation episode, where we get into a lot more detail about that. But we need to get into a lot of loose stool issues here too with crohns and colitis, so, um, do you want to talk a little bit about what bile does and how it neutralizes acid to keep it.
Will: Uh, yeah, so bile is literally an alkaline soap that your liver makes and your gall bladder stores in concentrate and the gall bladder should squirt bile on to the food after it leaves the stomach and enters the duodenum, why are you smiling, Kinna?
Kinna: Will said squirt.
Will: Oh. God. So, that think of like, that food, that just left the stomach that got all it should have got all acidified by the hydro-chloric acid and then the bile, should literally chemically collide with that acidic food sludge, and create a tiny little explosion in the duodenum, where the nutrients are liberated from the food and the fats are broken down. Bile, is a soap, and if you think about having oil on your hands and trying to wash oil off your hands, without soap, it doesn’t work that well, but when you have soap, it comes off really easy because those lipids are broken down, into tiny, tiny pieces, that your body can then use. But if it doesn’t break it down, then it just occurs to the body as a toxin, and then that just creates a whole mess.
Tony: Right, so, think about if this bile is what neutralizes the acidic food that is coming out of the stomach. If that bile is not following properly, which is very common, bile can become to thick and sticky for a lot of reasons and it can get backed up and it won’t flow, so, now there is no bile flow, so the acid comes out of the stomach, and there is nothing to cool it off. So, it starts moving through the intestinal track, uh, still as hot as it was in the stomach. Now, the stomach is made to hold those acids, um, but the intestinal track is not. Because those acids are made to break down protein, and what is your intestinal track made of?
Tony: You got it, ding, ding, ding, ding,
Tony: Gold star. So, if, if that acid, if all those acids are not neutralized, now they are going to start breaking down the intestinal track and your body is gonna be like, this is really not good. So, it starts screaming, get this stuff out of here, and it brings all the water to the intestinal track, to try to cool it off, and it goes shooting out the back door, and you lift off the toilet by 4 or 5 feet, and that’s not fun, but, it makes sense, and if it makes sense then you can start looking at, ok, how do I correct this issue?
Will: Then you can also start looking at, what are the manifestations inside of, of, these of these diseases, and then you look at like ulcers, and inflammation. What would happen to your hand, if you poured a bunch of really strong acid on your hand?
Tony: Yeah, and you did it every day.
Will: Yeah, and you did it every day, every time you ate, you know, like, that’s intense.
Tony: We should try that.
Will: Right? That’s what happens to your gut, when you don’t have bile to flow there, so think of, how is the intestinal track going to actually stay in tact, if you are pouring battery acid on it, 3 times a day?
Tony: And the acid in your stomach, is as acidic as the battery acid in your car, so, it’s a good analogy to understand, oh this is why I’m having trouble.
Will: And, there is also like the possibility that, like some theories that like Crohns, and colitis these legions are caused by microbes, and infect the tissue, of the intestinal track, because the host or the person with these symptoms have a weakened immune system or weakened tissues, and we look at the catabolic state, those tissues are in a weaker state they are too permeable for their own good, they are dying off and falling apart too quickly anyway, so yeah they are more susceptible to microbes at that level, and this acid bath is just way too harsh for them anyway.
Tony: Right, so if someone is stuck in that catabolic state, where their tissues are always breaking down, and they never move into the rebuild, then yes, they will become more susceptible. And will get. We’ll talk more about microbes and even grains, and other things that can cause the, uh, the more diarrhea type issues, but, um, in the majority of the cases we see is a lack of bile flow. That is always the first thing to fix, before you look into any other issues, in my opinion. And, we teach how to, you know, there are supplements that you can use to help thin the bile, and make it flow better. Um. A coffee enema can kind of unplug a back up gall bladder from the other direction, that can kind of be really helpful.
Kinna: A colonic?
Tony: No, a colonic won’t do anything, but a lot of hydro, uh,
Kinna: Colon therapy,
Tony: Colon therapists, yeah, they do coffee enemas too, and that can be helpful, they also have coffee suppositories, I think we have one called zenoplex.
Kinna: Oh, you gave me one the other day.
Tony: Yeah, I put it in your coffee though, I just wanted to see what would happen. I think I put it in the wrong end, but, and I’m hoping now, that nobody is picturing me giving you a suppository.
Kinna: Uh, I’m picturing it. I’m loving it.
Will: Cause he does do that service from like 9 to 5?
Tony: Right. Yeah, that’s my rate for that.
Kinna: Oh, Mr. Hale, you dropped your pencil.
Tony: Oh, question and let’s do some.
Kinna: Ok. Joanne, from Los Angeles. My brother has IBS and his meds haven’t improved his situation at all. Is there a med that people are having success with or is there a more natural solution? Good question, Joanne.
Tony: Way to go, Joanne. And you know thinking about her brother not seeing any results. Understand that uh, this is like a life debilitating situation to have. I mean the people that have a chronic diarrhea situations they a lot of them can’t leave the house without knowing where the bathrooms are that they can access immediately.
Kinna: Wow, that sucks.
Tony: Yeah. Because you don’t know when it’s going to come on and when it does you either handle it now or you’re also buying new pants, it’s a big deal.
Will: And, when your digestion isn’t working well, and all these foods are just landing in your body as a toxin, that leads to major terminal illnesses, like cancer, and things like that, which is, I saw a client just yesterday, she had IBS as a kid, and then she got early onset of a couple different types of cancer, and they’re all connected.
Tony: Right, and we won’t say that, that is an absolute thing, but you have to, when you look at different types of cancers a lot of them are caused by, you know constant irritation at the cellular level and those kinds of things. So, it’s always good to take care of problems like that.
Tony: So, her question is, that is what we will talk about, today Joanne, is that uh, there is no natural solution for this issue, because, when you look at the types of symptoms that go along with all of these things, that are basically grouped into one group, they’re so, so different, so we have to understand that they are caused by different things, so, it’s more important to look at the person, what’s going on, what’s going wrong, uh, why is it happening, and then what can you do to improve that issue.
Kinna: Wow, that sounds like a lot of work,
Will: Yeah, well
Will: Well, I mean, the heart of it is when she asks is there more natural solutions, other than like, just trying to find which med is right for her, if she finds out which symptom she has, it’s, fix digestion, take our free 4 week course, on correcting digestive issues, and do your best to fix every aspect of digestion, that we talk about, in that rather than like trying to find the right meds, to just quell your symptoms.
Kinna: And you can take that at kickitinthenuts.com
Kinna: Ok. John, from Green, Ohio, I take a lot of probiotics during my rough spells, it seems to help. Also, nairing my B-hole saves on toilet paper, follow the 6-9 minutes exactly, I’m at about a 7.5. What the?
Will: What the …
Kinna: What the, what does that mean?
Tony: I don’t know that’s, ok, we will come back to probiotics in a minute, we have to get to John’s more pressing issue of him nair-ing his
Kinna: Nair-ing his B hole.
Tony: Nair-ing his bung hole. When he says follow the 6-9 minutes, is he talking, is that how long you leave nair on, or something?
Kinna: I think, maybe? I don’t know.
Will: 6-9 minutes exactly? That’s funny in itself.
Tony: Um, but, you know,
Kinna: And if you leave it longer it takes the skin off?
Will: I don’t know.
Tony: Well, think about it, if a lot of people are on the toilet 10 times a day, that’s a toilet paper investment, so he actually has found something that helps him save some money, I guess. Um, with probiotics, there’s a lot of validity in that, but it’s usually not the answer. Um.
Kinna: I wonder how hairy his B-hole was, I mean, I just can’t….
Will: Well, it’s baby clean now.
Tony: Yeah, well, instead of combing out all the poop each time, you just nair it.
Kinna: What you got some dreads down there? What’s he doing?
Will: Yeah, but probiotics, they are helpful, they are a big important part of digestion, I think that the approach that we tend to take, is like if you balance the chemistry of it, they’ll be there, and they’ll be healthy.
Tony: Right, and if you have chronic diarrhea, every time you have a diarrhea episode, you just fried them, all of your good bacteria, just got fried. And, um, you need to replenish that, so, it’s kind of hard to keep up. But, what we have found, is that a lot of these uh, chronic diarrhea issues are from people on a very overly catabolic state all the time and it causes the bile to become too thick. Uh and because water is going to the wrong place. And when the bile can’t flow, we have diarrhea like we just talked about. And there are some probiotics that can push a person more anabolic. So if a person finds that right one and he uses them in a high dosage I have seen a lot of people where they have success doing this. There’s a guy who wrote a book, “Patient Heal Thy Self”, by Jordan Rueben and that’s what he did is he used probiotics to heal his own Crohns, but the doses he was using were very high and it was likely a situation where it was enough to push him out of that catabolic state so that the water could help the bile thin a little bit and flow better.
Tony: Um, so it is a factor that could help for some people, but there are also easier ways to do it to where you don’t have to worry about every time you have diarrhea you just fried out all of your progress.
Will: Yeah. I think one of their things to point out too, is that the digestive breakdown, or problems that we have are really like generated and kind of sustained by the deeper imbalances like the anabolic, catabolic issue or even electrolyte levels and stuff. So a lot of times we will, as you say in your books, cheat, by fixing digestion with digestive supplements like beet flow or HCL and things like, even probiotics could be lumped in there. But they will help us get the nutrition to fix those imbalances which caused the problems in the first place. It can get you out of this catch 22 situation.
Will: The imbalance ruins your digestion, without good digestion you can’t fix your imbalance. So we cheat and fix digestion, but if you don’t also like eventually go and fix the actual imbalance, you’re gonna perpetually have the same digestive problems happen again when you stop taking the supplements and that’s a concern with a lot of my clients is they don’t wanna be on supplements forever.
Will: They don’t have to be, but they gotta learn about their body chemistry and how to really fix those imbalances on a deep level.
Kinna: What is it with people and pills? Ya know, I mean it’s just like I mean I have it too, it’s like oh, I have to take these pills!!
Will: Every time you go party? You’re like, let me just shoot it?
Kinna: Yeah, oh Will.
Tony: Yeah, a lot of people had just had a bad stigma, and plus there are so many supplements out there that have binders and other things in them, that don’t allow the body to use them properly that they become worthless, and can even become harmful, then supplements can get a bad name, and then people think that applies to everything, but, when your body needs help, it is a good way to get the concentrated nutrients that you need, to fix that specific problem. The other thing that you were saying, if you don’t change food, then you are just going to go back to the same issues, cause there is a lot of preservatives, and chemicals and garbage that’s in our food now, that seems to add to the thickening of the bile, so it doesn’t flow well. So, moving more to real food, can improve that situation, as well.
Kinna: Umm hummm. Kyle, from Montreal, Quebec. Reading up about ulcerate…, oh god here we go again, there’s that word.
Will: Ulcerative, ulcerative.
Kinna: Ulcerative colitis, I’m finding mixed information on a diet, that will minimize the effects of colitis, of course there are medications that seem to be standard prescriptions that help, but don’t cure, the goal is to achieve permanent remission, are there specific diets that work? Or should you just focus on eating healthy overall? My hope is to not relay on medications to be symptom free. I hope that for you as well Kyle.
Tony: That’s a good question Kyle.
Kinna: Oh. Ow.
Tony: That’s what you get.
Kinna: Damn it!
Will: I think Kyle’s voice, (not audible)
Tony: Yeah, I didn’t like that, I don’t know why.
Will: Did Kyle become a girl during the reading of that?
Kinna: Yeah, I was gonna try to do Canadian, but there was no aboot.
Will: He turned into like a British woman.
Tony: Umm, one good thing to look at with this, is um, there are other causes beyond these digestive issues that we are talking about, uh, grains can be a problem for a lot of people, um, when we talked to Rob Wolfe for our movie, he explained it the best, that I’ve understood it, is that you know animals have defense mechanisms, like a deer has antlers, and porcupines have the spikes, and plants can be the same as well, see that is the bug I was trying to get, I wasn’t really smacking you. Um, so, uh, grains, seem to have the situation where they can have irritate the intestinal track in attempts to not have that animal keep eating it. Um, of course we are people, and we are dumb, so of course we keep eating it anyway, but grains can cause a lot of damage to our intestinal track, so if that’s the problem that’s causing your issues, and you cut out all grains there’s a chance that you could see some improvement. But if your chronic diarrhea is from a lack of bile flow then it doesn’t matter the foods that you change in the immediate because you still have to fix digestion. You still have to have to improve that bile flow and thin the bile so it’s not all backed up and not moving.
Will: Right. And like another issue I think we mentioned or we were talking about before the show was uh, when people have heavy metal issues and it can sometimes make them more susceptible to parasites and that can cause damage to the gut, like leaky gut syndrome and stuff, so there’s a lot of different factors out there that that are important to look at. If you go through the digestive issues course and you do everything we recommend and you’re still having issues you gotta keep looking.
Tony: Right, there’s other things. Heavy metal can be a big deal. Heavy metals alone can cause inflammation even if they’re not instigating the parasitic situation. Um, a lot of people have a super high iron levels and I was in that same boat and that alone can create inflammation so there’s always things to look at, but instead of just trying out different rememdies you wanna keep looking at your body, your chemistry. Try and figure out what’s going on there.
Kinna: Tom, Bedford, Bedfordshire, UK. I have IBS. I cut out wheat, gluten and yeast. I take 10 billion strength probiotics 30 days on, 30 days off. Seems to really help, but still get flair ups now and again. 10 billion what?!
Tony: Yeah, he has to swallow 10 billion pills.
Tony: No, that’s just the amount of strength.
Tony: So he’s found some things that have worked for him and there are things that we say can be beneficial, but you have to understand that that doesn’t mean that they’re gonna work for everybody. If you don’t have any bile flow those things may not help.
Will: Yeah and just like pounding a bunch of probiotics all the time just cause like why not that’s also not necessarily a good move. Like I had one of my nutritionist friends was doing a ton of it and he always felt like he always had to go to the bathroom. He had like healthy movements, but he just had like so many of them and part of that’s because like a good percentage, I think sometimes up to like 40% of our stool is actually probiotics. The actual bacteria in the stool so, you don’t necessarily need to pound that much of it in your system. It’s like I like to think of it like the probiotics are like fish in a fish tank. And if you have like good clean water and food and filtration happening like they’re gonna be healthy. You don’t need to keep adding more fish all the time. Just cause it’s a fish tank. You don’t need like 10 billion, 30 different there forever most likely.
Tony: Right. They will thrive if the terrain is correct for them to thrive in and a volcano is not a good setting for them to live in and when you’re having diarrhea, your ass is like a volcano. And that’s what’s going on. You’re frying those little probiotics every time.
Kinna: And what should your poop, what should a pretty poop look like?
Tony: Let me show you.
Kinna: Ok. Oh, here we go.
Tony: Oh, here we go.
Kinna: Oh, that is gorgeous, Tony! Wow, I like the C shape.
Tony: Well you don’t, it’s important that it’s not light colored. Lighter than the color of corrugate, corra….
Kinna: Corrugated cardboard.
Tony: Corrugated cardboard. Um, cause that’s an indication that you’re not having the right amount of bile flow. Um, and you want it to be formed.
Kinna: Formed into an animal shape?
Tony: Yeah, you wanna do animal crackers.
Will: Ok. To reiterate that bit about color in case people didn’t get that, it’s cause bile’s really dark green.
Will: And when you eat food and it messes with the food, mixes with the food it ends up being a dark brown like a forest floor color ideally.
Kinna: Oh, ok. Alright. Lori, I’ve had IBS for years. I don’t know how I’m still fat when I poop this much. Shouldn’t I be skinny?
Tony: Right and that’s what people think, but you know diarrhea can cause weight gain for a lot of reasons just like constipation can. You know the lack of minerals.
Will: Right, yeah, they’ll get crazy cravings, so you’ll never feel satiated. You don’t break down fats at all so your body’s gonna have to turn more towards carbohydrates and sometimes proteins which it may not be digesting well anyway. So all the fat that you eat ends up occurring in your body as a toxin that will then store in fat cells, or make you nauseous or give you skin problems, and you will keep craving carbs for the energy, so that will keep your insulin up, and keep you out of the fat burning zone, and keep you in the sugar roller coaster.
Tony: Right, also, if you’re not able to emulsify fats to use them, we need fats to function and to live and to thrive. Um, so if you’re not getting those through your diet because you’re not digesting them properly your body will get defensive and it will hold on to all the fat that it has thinking I’m not getting what I need so it’ll hold on to this.
Kinna: Hm. I keep thinking of that song. Diarrhea pff pff diarrhea pff pff. Some people think it’s funny, but it’s really kind of runny. Diarrhea pff.
Tony: Are we gonna sing that at the end of that show or something? I’ll be so sad if we do that.
Kinna: Yeah. Ok, Glen, I’d be interested in hearing about managing healing crisis and the process and pathways of getting the accumulative residue of gunk/toxins inside the body and back outside where they belong. All in one breath people.
Tony: That was pretty good in that deep freaky voice like that.
Will: It was.
Tony: So if somebody has constipation issues especially and that stool is moving very slowly, it tends to get stuck on the side of the walls and that makes it hard to absorb and it’ll stay in there for a long time, it’s gunk. So fiber can be helpful to move that out, but you still need to fix digestion or the problem will just continue. Fiber’s not enough to do it.
Kinna: What about that Psyllium husk stuff?
Tony: That’s fiber.
Kinna: That’s fiber. Ok.
Tony: Yeah, it’s great. Sure. Yeah.
Will: Yeah, and he was also mentioning a healing crisis and stuff.
Tony: I wanna talk about that some. Go ahead. Yeah.
Will: So yeah, those are legit. A lot of the times when people go on cleanses and things like that a lot of their symptoms are actually created not by cleansing, but imbalances that they created on accident during the cleanse. Like the juice fast for example. Like the light headed spaciness stuff, that’s cause their blood pressure’s way low. When you go on a juice cleanse and they’re actually in an electrolyte deficient state because their blood sugar and blood pressure’s so unstable. So not all of those things are healing crisis and sometimes you’re just pushing your chemistry way out of balance, but other times like we see when sometimes when people start like beet flow or do a coffee enema, they’ll get itchy and feel like a lot of irritation cause their bile is finally mobilized and yeah all those toxins are finally circulating and moving out the body. That can happen. I see an intensely when people do chelation. There’s really obvious indications of like you’re pulling like intense metals like mercury and lead and stuff out of your system. And people feel horrible during chelation so, that happens and when that’s happening it’s really nice to just try to keep the bile flowing well and do other things to help circulate the fluids out of your body.
Tony: Sure. Water. Drink some water. A lot of people don’t have that at all.
Will: Right. Yeah. Rebounding. Like getting your lymphatic system to move.
Tony: That means jumping on the little trampoliney thing. That doesn’t mean like playing basketball.
Will: Dennis Rodman. Or if your blood pressure’s in a stable position, infrared saunas and things can also help.
Tony: Yeah, get stuff moving out of the pores. But another thing that can cause what somebody may call a healing crisis is that when you change the way you eat uh, maybe you’re eating a lot of garbage, a lot of processed junk, a lot of carbohydrates, when you stop doing that, the body doesn’t have to store all that junk in fat cells. And it can say hey, the coast is finally clear we can pull some of this junk out of fat cells and start getting it out of the body and sometimes it can pull out a little more than it can handle at a time and it might need to push some out through the skin and you may feel a little lousy, but um, more water and all those things Will said can help, but the other type of healing crises is when you’re working with some type of natural practitioner or something and he’s working on symptoms instead of looking at the person. And he says well, this herb works for this symptom so use it. And then you feel like crap and he’s like well, that’s just a healing crisis. And sometimes it’s a practitioner crisis. Because they may be using something that’s pushing you in the wrong direction and making you more imbalanced. So it’s important to look at your actual physiology instead of using things just according to a symptom.
Kinna: Very interesting.
Tony: Yes, very interesting.
Kinna: Ok, Sheree. I went to the doctor a few years ago complaining of my digestive issues. Regular stomach pain and cramps, bloating, constipation followed by bouts of diarrhea. And was told, oh yeah, that definitely sounds like IBS. There’s not a lot we can do about that. I can give you some laxative. I was blown away. No testing done. No attempt to understand my personal situation or what might be causing it. No discussion of my diet. I was expecting allergy tests and was sent away with a diagnosis, but no way to deal with it. Other than eat your fruits and veggie brochure. I haven’t been back to a doctor since.
Tony: And it’s not that doctors are bad people, but this happens a lot. This is pretty common. Um, and it’s just not in their training. You know so much of what is in their training are medications that turn digestion off, so if there was also in their training you know how important digestion is and how it’s supposed to function and how to turn it on then those two things would battle against each other. And who would win? So, it makes sense why they don’t understand it and they just get kind of stumped and that’s kind of what we get stuck with a lot of times.
Will: Uh huh. It just reminds me again of like how essentially just pared back of what you just said, it always infuriates me. Cause that almost screwed me up a few times. I was trying to get over my own health issues like eczema and what other symptoms I was dealing with pain in my extremities. This person comes in and says like I have all these intense pains in my digestive system and then the doctor says the same thing back to them yeah, irritable bowel syndrome. Oh? It’s just like are you serious?
Tony: That’s all you’re going to get.
Kinna: Not one test?
Will: After 8 ½ million dollars of education. I said my tummy hurts. You said my tummy hurts in Latin?
Tony: Yeah, right. I feel for Sheree, I know how that goes, but at least now she can figure out what’s going on.
Kinna: Alright, Dawn. I started my venture 12 years ago in natural health because of the same symptoms that Sher..oh, nevermind, some other person that I nearly said, Sheree, but I can’t say the last name, right? I’ll start this again. I started my venture 12 years ago in natural health because of the same symptoms that Sheree shared, absent the diarrhea part, my pains were so bad I would literally doubled over on the floor. My husband would take me to the emergency room. They would do their standard testing and then send me home saying my intestines were backed up. They would give me some laxatives and magnesium citrate. Is that how you say it citrate?
Kinna: Citrate. The magnesium citrate would work temporarily and take the pains away for about 3 or 4 days and then it would hit me again. This went on for about a month. I was in tears. After 3 visits to the ER and a dozen or so at the doctor’s office, I finally got this message on my answering machine. Remember when we had those? Dawn, we don’t know what to do with you. That was it. Nothing else. Oh, it keeps going. My friend suggested that see her herbalist. I went rolling my eyes the whole way. I let the lady do her testing without telling her my symptoms. She told me I was magnesium deficient. Which would explain the relief I got from the citrate. But in the end, she taught me to change my diet and gave me some supplementation. I have come a long way since then and study all the time knowing that there is always more to learn. I have never been to a doctor since and have not needed one. Why would I? They wrote me off. I study and use my instincts. Stay in there people. You will get answers.
Tony: So, do you wanna talk about how magnesium was maybe helping her from being plugged up?
Will: Yeah. So when we look at that we, one this person should maybe listen to our podcast on constipation.
Will: Cause it’s dealing more so with the first half of digestion and the content of the stomach not moving quickly enough through the system. So magne.. and that’s usually an issue with an anabolic person where they don’t have the stomach acid that’s necessary to break stuff down. And magnesium can help push a person into a more catabolic state where your stool tends to be looser it could help correct this plugged up problem.
Tony: Right. So if she’s having all this pain from everything backed up and expanding and making her you know intestinal tract big and expanded. Then yeah that would’ve helped, but just improving that anabolic imbalance could help her in the long run as well as improving other digestive issues. So uh, beyond the question there was a couple of other things that I wanted to hit on. And that is when you look up stuff about IBS and Crohns they talk about all these other symptoms that go along with it and things like mental issues and depression and all those kind of things, so do you wanna explain why that can happen?
Will: Yeah. Well, when digestion’s off we know the body doesn’t get the resources that it needs and a lot of the foods that you’re eating, even if they’re like healthy from your own garden, organically grown, will end up occurring to your body as a toxin because cause you didn’t break it down well. So when our body is just constantly battling toxins with no resources to fight it off with it’s gonna create all sorts of problems like energy, anxiety, depression, lethargy, skin issues and all sorts of tissue breakdowns.
Tony: Sure. Right. So there is a long list of symptoms that can go along with IBS. When you look at those those are the same things that we see that go along with poor digestion.
Will: Uh huh.
Tony: So it kind of makes sense and that’s fun. When things make sense. Um, the other thing that I wanted to cover was I wanted to talk about Kinna’s diarrhea.
Kinna: Oh God. Here we go….
Will: Can we do an episode just on that?
Tony: Yeah, just on Kinna’s ass. You know and I’ve dealt, long ago I had diarrhea issues too and it’s just not fun. It’s not what the cool kids do.
Kinna: Yeah, it’s not fun.
Tony: But in what we see like we talked about in most cases it’s either something irritating that intestinal tract like grains or something or a lack of bile flow. But in some rare cases and when I say rare it’s probably…
Kinna: You were irritating me that’s why I had it.
Tony: Yes, I was irritating that’s why you had diarrhea.
Will: Tony excessive irritation.
Tony: But when I say rare it’s probably like 10% of the chronic diarrhea cases um, in the same way that that over acidic product leaving the stomach that doesn’t get neutralized can irritate the intestinal tract so the body rushes it through real fast, in that same way, um, stuff that’s overly alkaline can also irritate the intestinal tract and make the body rush it through. So sometimes diarrhea can be caused by not enough stomach acid, but proper bile flow so now everything you ate is super alkaline. So you really have to look at yourself. If you’re doing things to improve bile flow, but the diarrhea’s not improving, it there maybe a situation where you need more stomach acid. And we teach you how to do all that in the 4 week course.
Will: Yeah, and you can, don’t think that just because it’s pop culture like promotion to say everyone’s too acidic. Don’t think that you can’t be too alkaline. Even if you eat fast food. Like you can be. It’s not, like pH is way more complicated thing than people make it out to be. And just as many people that I test and see are too alkaline as there are too acidic. So don’t think that might not be you if you’ve tried everything else and think it’s impossible cause it could be you. Your cause of your problems.
Tony: Right. So the moral of this show is basically to anytime that you have an opportunity to talk about how Kinna used to have a lot of diarrhea you take it.
Kinna: Uh huh.
Tony: And the second thing is that this IBS, Crohns, Colitis all these situations are things where you can’t treat the symptoms and expect to have success because the underlying causes for these things are so widely varied. You really need to look at your body and figure out what the cause is so that you can then work to improve that situation.
Will: Uh huh.
Kinna: It’s a lot of work, Tony.
Tony: It’s a lot of work, but so is sitting on the toilet 12 times a day.
Tony: And people that have that issue are like I’ll vote for the work. I’ll vot for that every time.
Kinna: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean when your butt is so sore from wiping it’s just…yeah.
Kinna: Ok. So if you want to learn more about how to look at your own chemistry, you can read any of Tony’s books or take the FREE 4-week digestion course at kickitinthenuts.com. Until next time.
Tony: You gonna sing your song?
Kinna: Yes! Diarrhea pff pff diarrhea pff pff. Some people think it’s funny but it’s really kind of runny.
Tony: Fade. Fade faster!
Kinna: Diarrhea pff pff diarrhea pff pff.
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