Kick it naturally – Understanding High Blood Pressure
T.C. Hale is not a doctor and does not claim to be a doctor, licensed in any type of medical field. Don’t be an idiot and use anything heard on this show as medical advice. This information should be used for educational purposes only and you should contact your doctor for any medical advice. Now get off me.
Kinna: Welcome to Kick it Naturally, I’m Kinna McInroe, and I’m here today, with T.C. Hale, author, natural health expert, producer, and all around total pain in the ass kind of guy.
Tony: Everything you’re saying is true.
Kinna: Ummm, hum, exactly. And we also have the very sweet, cute, Will Schmidt, uh, he’s a fitness trainer to the stars, and I could just go on, and on, but I won’t cause we have limited time.
Kinna: Hi! So, today, we are going to be talking about high blood pressure people, so, if you’re listening to us, and you are in the car, pull over, follow us on Facebook, at kick it in the nuts, and we’ll post topics that we’ll be discussing in future shows there and then you guys can post questions that you want us to cover, and we’ll do it on the show.
Tony: You can axe us, you can axe us questions.
Kinna: Yeah, you can ask us questions. Exactly.
Tony: That’s what I said…axe us questions.
Kinna: Axe us. You can axe us questions. Um, so we’ll get to that…
Tony: We’re street.
Kinna: Yeah, we’re street here. We’re very ghetto. Um, I’m having a hard time today. Maybe it’s my blood pressure?
Tony: It probably is.
Kinna: But I am low blood pressure, so…..
Will: Also a problem.
Kinna: Yeah, that’s a problem. Yeah.
Tony: That’s one thing, that’s one thing we need to make sure that people understand, is that how ridiculous it is that the medical community puts such a huge emphasis on high blood pressure, but they completely ignore, an equally debilitating situation, in the opposite direction.
Kinna: Cause they don’t have medication for that yet, but as soon as they do….
Tony: Cause they don’t care. No.
Kinna: Then we’ll have low blood pressure problems.
Tony: It’ll be, it’ll be popular, yeah. All the cool kids will have it.
Kinna: Ummm, hum, exactly. So, um, what, what, exactly causes high blood pressure? And tell us a little bit why it’s such a bad thing to have.
Tony: Let’s break it down before we get into questions, and, and that’s one point is that basically the perfect blood pressure is like 120/80 that’s when Will has that, and he gets a smiley face.
Will: All day, whether I’m sprinting, or sleeping.
Tony: It doesn’t matter, it’s non stop, perfect,
Kinna: Ummm hum, his poop smells like flowers too, everybody.
Tony: Yeah, it’s fantastic. We’re not going to talk about why we know that. Um, but so, 120/80 is perfect, and once you get to like 140/90 that is when they consider you are high blood pressure, and you’re a bastard, I don’t know why they include that, in that diagnosis, but that is what they say.
Will: Maybe because it makes you angry.
Tony: Right, it might, it might. So, the main point is that why, isn’t it equally, blood pressure off, in the other direction, with like a 100/70, why isn’t that considered low blood pressure, so, that is something that needs to be fixed.
Will: Can I hypothesize maybe?
Tony: Yeah, and I want you to fix it.
Will: Well, yeah, we will fix that right now. Yeah, so, maybe one thing, when people have those issues, they have other symptoms that people don’t really connect the dots to with low blood pressure, like, anxiety, or horrible digestion, you know?
Kinna: Mood swings.
Will: Right, mood swings.
Kinna: Or depression.
Will: Seizures, that kind of stuff, but people aren’t connecting that to their blood pressure or like electrolyte deficient state, so they get meds for those things.
Will: Anxiety, depression, reflux.
Tony: And a lot of depression meds, do help to lift blood pressure.
Tony: They just don’t know really know it.
Will: Yeah, if they called them low blood pressure meds, then maybe it’d be more accurate.
Kinna: You know what I take for that? Alcohol.
Tony: Uh huh.
Will: Works every time.
Kinna: That’s the medicine of choice.
Will: It works like a charm.
Tony: It’s very helpful. Another thing that you are saying is that high blood pressure is so focused on, because, a doctor doesn’t want you to have a blow out, doesn’t want you to have a heart attack, an aneurism, some episode.
Kinna: Unless you have AAA, then they can just come and fix that.
Tony: Yeah, they’ll come. It takes like 30 minutes, but um, so they’re not as concerned as if you have low blood pressure because you’re not gonna have a blow out, but it’s also not fun to drive around on flat tires all day. Like a lot of people with low blood pressure are doing.
Will: Well, in extreme cases you could look at like seizures and strokes like that can be a low blood pressure cause.
Tony: Seizures especially, yeah.
Will: Yeah, that’s kind of their like equivalent to a heart attack on the other side of spectrum.
Tony: But the medical world doesn’t look at seizures as low blood pressure like we do, they look at it as man, you are jacked up.
Kinna: If I have a seizure right now, will you grab my tongue, Will? Cause that means I’m chewing it off.
Will: Okay, can I just stick something in there?
Kinna: Oh. Okay, don’t go there.
Will: That’s not what I meant. Not what I meant.
Tony: I can hear, I can hear…
Will: Everyone cringing. All the children’s ears are being covered.
Kinna: Cover your children’s ears.
Tony: I hear the sound of us being kicked off the air.
Kinna: Yeah, exactly.
Will: I was thinking of like a pen.
Tony: So let’s talk a little bit about how blood pressure…
Kinna: It starts with a pen.
Tony: Oh. We’ve lost control the whole thing….
Kinna: It’s my blood pressure. It’s making me be crazy.
Tony: So let’s talk about what happens with blood pressure and one thing that I think Will and I see in a lot of clients is that water, you may have heard of this, it’s water.
Kinna: Water? Oh.
Tony: You people drink it. That’s what I say to people who come in with this crazy high blood pressures you can tell they’re not drinking anything. I’ll hand them a bottle and I’ll say, have you heard of this? And they’ll be like Fiji, I’ve heard of that. And I’m like no, water. Have you heard of water? Um, because people they don’t drink water much. You can say like how much water do you drink? And they’re like well, I just had some coffee. That had water in it.
Will: It’s liquidy.
Kinna: I’m about to drink water right now.
Tony: Um, so people really need to drink water because water is what helps our body wash out the junk.
Tony: And Will, maybe talk to us second about what blood pressure is made of. You know what we’re looking at a reflection of.
Will: Yeah, sure. When we think about like what’s giving your blood pressure? It’s like the volume of the blood itself, but the things that are in that make it thicker. Make it give you more pressure. As well as the state of your nervous system, but the blood itself we look at like sugars and electrolytes those are two of the main constituents that add pressure. And then you can also look at like the sugar that comes from protein when we think about
Will: So you can think of proteins as well as like poorly broken down proteins can also be circulating in the bloodstream and salts and plaque. And all those things can add
Tony: And filth?
Will: Right, filth.
Tony: Right. So all those things can make up what your blood pressure is but, so if you’re not drinking the right amount of water your body doesn’t have the main tool it needs to wash out junk.
Tony: And we’re gonna talk more about some other water stuff when we get into questions, but another main area is we look at bile flow when someone has high blood pressure because what the body does is it takes the garbage and it usually you eating a case of ding dongs or something you shouldn’t of had and now your body has garbage in it and it’ll be filtered out through the liver. So the liver takes this filth and then puts it into our bile and then the bile goes into mixes with our food and it helps to digest the food and then that becomes the stuff that goes out the back door. I’m talking about pooping right now.
Kinna: Oh, I just woke up.
Tony: Yeah, hello poopin’! I like me some poopin’!
Kinna: Uh huh.
Tony: Um, so, if someone’s bile is not flowing correctly now that exit strategy for all that filth is turned off. So, that’s usually a big thing and you probably see that a lot with a lot of people with high blood pressure is that they also have poor bile flow.
Will: Yeah, and it makes them feel really nauseous and toxic and just sluggish.
Tony: And a little bitchy.
Will: And with that often times we’ll see like high amounts of ammonias in their system and ureas that are contributing to that, cause they are not eliminating that waste.
Tony: And, um, a third factor can be, vascular constriction which is kind of, um, it can make your blood pressure higher than it is, by constricting the vascular system.
Will: And those two things can be like, like a slam dunk, like doubly damaging, and go together often, cause a lot of times when people have high blood sugar, their bodies kind of slow at metabolizing carbs. So, it will put the body into, the sympathetic state, to try and speed glycolysis, or the processing of sugar, but that also, constricts the blood, the circulatory system. So, then we see thick blood in a restricted system, and those two unfortunately go together, so it really adds to a lot of high blood pressure cases, and also, that high glucose, was as we talked about last week, with the high cholesterol, usually creates a more narrow circulatory to begin with, so all three of those things create a really high blood pressure case.
Tony: Right, so when we look at thinking about what we talked about what makes up the blood pressure, and sugar is one of those things, so if somebody has high sugar, like a diabetic, a type II diabetic, then they’re often going to have higher blood pressure, because the sugar is higher. And, that is part of that formula that we are looking at.
Will: Um, hum, right.
Kinna: You boys are not just cute, you are smart, you know?
Tony: So, before we go into questions, and stuff, I do want to say this, that, high blood pressure is a situation where, I’m not going to punch a doctor in the face for putting people on these medications, in most cases, because it really can be a life saving situation, you know a blow out from high blood pressure, if you have a heart attack, you go die, like convincingly. Like you do really well at dying.
Will: For sure dead.
Kinna: I believed you.
Tony: Like all the way dead, and um, so, using blood pressure meds, is a good way to put off death for a temporary situation, and allow the person to make some changes so they can straighten things out.
Kinna: Yeah, I don’t feel like dying today, maybe tomorrow.
Tony: Right, if they wanna schedule it for a Thursday or something.
Tony: They can take those meds. So, if you are on meds now, and are listening to this, by the time we get to beating up how these meds work, I don’t want you to think that you should just drop your meds, cause that’s not the case, you need to take the right steps, correct the underlying problems, and then work with your doctor to work on that.
Will: Yeah, yeah, our approach is to always make it, use nutrition to get it, so that the person no longer qualifies to take their medication anymore.
Will: So, like their blood pressure is dropping too low, cause like they are on their med, and they are taking the right steps to fix their nutrition, so now their blood pressure is just being pushed too low by the meds, and that’s a good time to like get off of that.
Tony: Right, and when we talk about things that you can do, this is really important if you are on meds now, to understand this. Cause the meds does not have a little robotic ninja in it, or some kind of computer that lives in your body, and tells the med that blood pressure is now normal range, so you can reduce all the effort that you are now making, Mr. Medication. That doesn’t actually happen, so, there is no controller in the med, it’s just built to lower the blood pressure, no matter what your blood pressure is, so, if your blood pressure is high, say it’s 140/90, you take this med, and it brings you down to 120/80, now your a fancy gold star boy like Will, but, if you take other steps to bring down your blood pressure naturally, now the med is going to push them too low, and you will start to have a lot of the symptoms that we’ve talked about on other shows, for low blood pressure.
Kinna: And, Tony, you know all of this crap, cause you lost your voice 8 years ago, and you had to do all of this research, to figure out what was wrong with you.
Tony: I went psycho.
Kinna: You went psycho, basically.
Tony: And just read stuff.
Kinna: And you just started throwing yourself into it. But, what about you Will, what made you decide to throw yourself into all of this?
Will: Oh, I had a lot of issues too, cause I was following mainstream fitness advice, I was always very underweight, so I never had a blood pressure issue.
Kinna: Oh, he was underweight.
Will: I was, I was.
Tony: He couldn’t even get it up, so he took steps to fix that.
Will: Not cool, not cool. Don’t ask how Tony knows that. But I was following mainstream fitness, nutrition taking these really gross toxic weight gainers, and protein powders, never did steroids or anything that probably would have worked really well, but I never went there, I just stuck with like all the stuff I was reading in like these magazines. And after about a decade or 12 years of doing it, eventually my skin broke out into horrible eczema, and then a year or two after that, I started to get a lot of what seemed like multiple sclerosis type symptoms, like clenching, clamping, gnawing pain in my extremities, that just, it started in my feet and my ankles, and then it just spread to like my whole lower leg, then my hips, and my hands, and my torso, and it was really haunting.
Kinna: Yeah, as you are talking about these, I am starting to feel everything.
Tony: You’re itchy now?
Kinna: I’m a little bit of a hypochondriac.
Will: Sorry. Yeah, my eyes itch. No, so, I had to study, I had to find different doctors, and I went the mainstream root, I went to Kaiser, they did all of these tests, nothing looked off at all, everything looked perfect, like usual, but…
Will: But I was in immense, constant pain, all of the time, and it was getting worse, like I had to sleep in a fetal position, I’d have nightmares of being electrocuted, cause my nerves were all.
Will: It was intense. So, that led me to like study different doctors, and go to different people that were recommended to me, and eventually I found, a few different, like more naturally holistic minded doctors, as well as like the whole system that Tony and I were trained in.
Tony: I had a nightmare that I was a pony.
Tony: And I was at this party, and they were like pulling on my hair, but of course I called it my mane.
Tony: Why you gotta pull on my mane? I don’t know why I could talk when I was a pony, but I was upset, and I was telling them.
Will: Maybe you were thinking, you weren’t actually saying it.
Kinna: I always have those reoccurring nightmares, where you are naked. You know?
Tony: Where I’m naked?
Kinna: No. Where I’m naked.
Will: It’s horrifying.
Kinna: Where I’m naked, and in a public place. Or the ones where my teeth are crumbling, or falling out, now that happens to me on going.
Will: That sucks, that’s a mineral issue.
Tony: And, we’ve gone off topic.
Kinna: Oh, here we go.
Will: To drop back in though, one thing I’d like to say, while we are touching on meds, is, some person might be thinking, well if my meds lower my blood pressure, why don’t I just take that? That’s good with that, I’m good to go, well, they’re, you’re not changing why your blood pressure is high in the first place. You’re just doing some very aggressive tactics to push your blood pressure down, and the whole nutritional problem, and biochemical imbalance in the body, is still way off, even with the med. And, you are really hurting your liver in the mean time.
Tony: Right, and a lot of people, and their opinion is that, the blood pressure meds are working, by restricting your body’s ability to increase the pressure of the blood, so you are basically fixing the problem, by weakening your heart. So, maybe, maybe that’s not a good idea if that’s is the case.
Kinna: And you kind of need your heart.
Tony: You kind of want that.
Kinna: And your liver, you know?
Will: And you’ll see that in the blood not actually getting thinner like you’ll see just a lower systolic and still like a oddly high diastolic a lot of times when people are taking meds.
Kinna: And everybody’s like what the hell is that?
Tony: Yeah, we’re talking about measurements with your blood pressure and when we talk about imbalances and looking at specific numbers we do teach how to do that in our free digestion course onkickitinthenuts.com, so if we get too complicated for you you can go learn how to do that there. And you know skin stuff we should do an episode on skin issues.
Will: Yeah, people are really curious about eczema, acne….
Kinna: I have freckles. We need to get rid of that.
Will: You’re screwed totally screwed.
Tony: You need to get rid of that. Just use sandpaper.
Kinna: Uh huh. Uh huh. Bleach.
Tony: And if you guys wanna hear any other topics we’ve talked about like the low blood pressure stuff like depression and stuff then just go to itunes and search for kick it naturally and you can subscribe and get all our episodes for free.
Kinna: Alright. Cool. Well, are we ready to answer some questions?
Kinna: Ok. Then I guess we’re done with the show. Tune in next week.
Tony: Bye-bye now! Poop! Don’t forget to poop.
Kinna: Ok. So here’s the fun part of the show for me cause I get to read these questions and sometimes I throw in a fun accent, but I don’t know. I don’t know.
Tony: And she’s trained in these things. If you don’t know who Kinna is….
Kinna: Look me up. Google me.
Tony: She was Nina in “Office Space”.
Will: Best movie ever.
Kinna: Aw… thanks, Will.
Tony: What a cult following that movie has.
Kinna: And then later on, I would star in a movie called “Orifice Space”.
Tony: Oh, that’s different.
Kinna: That’s different. Different movie.
Tony: That was filmed in the valley.
Will: All of the children listening…
Kinna: Jonathon, from Manhattan, New York. My dad’s blood pressure is very high and he’s on meds. He doesn’t seem to really even care that it’s so high. Should we be worried?
Tony: Yeah, you might wanna worry about that. Cause if he’s still high and he’s on meds that are like forcing cause meds are so powerful and they really uh, I mean it’s like a locomotive you know, so if it’s pushing it down and it’s still high, you gotta do some things. You should care about that.
Kinna: And one thing he could do that’s free is water.
Tony: Water is free.
Kinna: Drink a shit ton of water.
Tony: Right. But I think a lot of times guys are you know they’re macho. Like me I’m very macho.
Kinna: Yes, very, insanely macho.
Will: And I’d say, maybe, cause we’ve touched on it a couple of times, but one of the first things people can do is as far as action in what to fix. Like when we say water try to drink like several liters of it a day and ideally have it be either distilled or reverse osmosis water. When people are wondering like what kind of water’s best because you may have heard like oh, it’s not good to drink those cause they’re hungry waters or they’re gonna pull minerals out of your body. Well, for a low blood pressure person, that’s a problem, but it’s perfect for a high blood pressure person cause we’ve want that brownie in motion or that osmotic pressure to pull all those extra electrolytes and salts and stuff out of your blood, so when you drink distilled reverse osmosis water the kidneys have a chance to shove all that high sediment into the low sediment fluid your drinking.
Tony: Right, and can pull some junk out. And let’s talk about water a little bit too because a lot of times it’s not about the amount of water that you’re drinking it’s about what your body’s doing with that water. And we’ve talked about the catabolic/anabolic imbalance too, but maybe Will explain how if somebody’s overly catabolic that the water’s maybe going to the wrong place.
Will: Yeah, it does tend to shove more of the water through your colon rather than through your kidneys. Kidneys are the ones that are really filtering your blood. So, then all of those things kind of go together. Like when you are too catabolic, you also tend to be slower oxidizing, and your blood sugar tends to be higher, and you tend to be sympathetic, so, you really want to address that catabolic issue, cause it’s adding to all of those other problems. So, pushing yourself to be more anabolic, which you can learn how to do in like our 12 week fat course, or our digestive issues course.
Kinna: I like sympathetic people though, they seem to be nicer, and they understand things.
Tony: Yeah, that is a different type of sympathetic, but I think that you are pretty.
Kinna: Aww, thanks Tony.
Tony: But, yeah, so somebody who is catabolic, and more water is going to the bowels, if they do drink the proper amount of water, that they really need, they can end up with ass soup all day. Having diarrhea non- stop on the toilet 12 times a day.
Will: Yeah. No fun.
Tony: Because, so, they kind of learn, even if it’s just subconsciously, hey if I don’t drink water I kind of feel better, so, that’s what they do.
Tony: So, if you have a problem that when you drink more water, that’s uh, you know, it’s spraying out the back door, then you should find out what’s going on, that’s causing that. You know, another good thing, that’s really easy for people with high blood pressure too, and when they are starting to increase water, is to drink a really big glass, or maybe two first thing in the morning, right when you wake up, cause then that water, can kind of really help your body to wash out junk.
Kinna: Crap that it was doing all night.
Tony: Yeah, yeah, there’s no telling what you were doing all night.
Will: Well, Kinna is usually at the bars, it’s a pretty, it’s a good guess.
Tony: But a lot of the water later in the day is used toward digestion, and other functions. But, if you can cram a bunch in, early in the morning, it can, that can, that can be one simple step that can help a lot.
Kinna: Hum. Cool, alright, Mary. My high blood pressure freaks me out. That’s how I think Mary would sound.
Tony: I think she sounds exactly like that.
Kinna: If she said that.
Tony: I thought it was Mary.
Tony: Well, I think one thing, is that, is there’s a lack of knowledge, and that’s something that people really freak out about, they see their blood pressure going high, and they assume its genetic, there’s nothing I can do about it, I’m getting served a screwed sandwich.
Will: Hum, yeah, so, like maybe we can talk a little about the two, a couple main things that someone in that place could do is like, one, go talk to their doctor, but also, like drink a lot of water, try to control your blood sugar levels, by, maybe go through the fat loss course, and really learn like what that looks like.
Tony: Yeah, look at what’s going on in your body, and if something is screaming, like, guy these sugars are really high, then abracadabra you kind of know what’s going on.
Will: Yeah, and it can change, really quick like I’ve, I’ve tested clients that have extremely high blood pressure, and it’s dropped like 80 points in two days.
Will: And with that, they’ve lost like 14 pounds in a week. It was crazy!
Will: It was just from drinking water, and cutting carbs. Like the two biggest things.
Tony: Right, cause when you think about what happens to carbs when you eat them, they turn into sugar, in your body, so, when somebody reduces their carbs, now all of a sudden, the sugar goes down, and now the blood is less thick.
Will: Well, yeah, which also makes me think of another point, a lot of times people will be very afraid of salt, when their blood pressure is high. And it’s, that’s notable to maybe restrict your salt in take, but, when people are worried, also about that puffy look, in addition to the high blood pressure, we want to remember that it’s not sodium that causes sodium retention. It’s elevated insulin that causes sodium retention. So, when people are eating carbs, that will keep salts in the blood stream, more so, sometimes, salts can even be helpful, to help fix digestive problems, and things like that, though you wouldn’t go very heavy on it, when you are high blood pressure. It’s not the main thing usually, that you have to focus on, as much as the carbs.
Tony: Right, and people are very afraid of salt, and you know, something interesting, we went to, uh, uh Redman’s salt mines, and did a tour with them for the “Why am I so Fat?” movie, and interviewed those guys and the salt mines were crazy awesome. It was like you were on another planet kind of underground. But he was telling me that you know, a lot of the table salt stuff that we use is processed and it’s sodium chloride and everything else is kinda stripped out of it, but if you use an unrefined salt, it has all of these other minerals in it. And he said that they get letters and emails every single day from people saying that they’ve started to use their unrefined salt, and their blood pressure has actually come down. And it kind of got me to thinking, you know, we talk a lot about vitamin C and uh, if a person uses ascorbic acid, that’s just a piece of the vitamin C. It’s not the whole complex of the vitamin, and, uh, eventually in a couple of weeks, their body will run out of all of those co-factors, and then it becomes useless to them and then that’s when your pee gets real pretty. It’s like that bright yellow and your neighbors are like, Tom’s peeing again, I can see it. Yeah so, um, but then if you add in a whole vitamin C that is made from food and has all the co-factors, then all of a sudden your body can use everything again. So, it kind of makes you wonder that if table salt is just the sodium ion of that whole molecule and all those minerals and every thing that’s in an unrefined salt, if you use and unrefined salt now your body can use that sodium instead of it getting backed up and stored up and that may be what is causing those people to lower their blood pressure. But that’s just we just talked about how you don’t have to be afraid of salt, but you might you know you don’t wanna use table salt if you’re blood pressure is already high. You want to take the right steps to fix the actual underlying cause and for that you have to figure out what it is for you.
Will: Yeah or other foods that contain sodium chloride like soy sauce and stuff like that.
Tony: Sure a lot of processed they just contain like that one sodium fraction and that can be just as bad, but you don’t have to be afraid of sea salt or unrefined salt if it’s a natural….
Kinna: Ok, Vickie, Pleasanton, CA. My dentist says my body creates a lot of plaque. I’m on blood pressure meds with some water pills, but asked to be off because it was causing gout. How will I know if I can go off BP meds? Will my BP fall low if I fix my body chemistry? How will my doctor know to take me off or reduce?
Kinna: Yeah….like as if.
Will: Totally. She has a lot of good questions in there actually. When we look at like plaque we get to thinking more about ureas and how this processes proteins and then to digestion. We wanna look at is your body breaking down proteins well and able to use them or they kind of just floating in the bloodstream and accumulating as plaque?
Tony: Right. Don’t jus think that you’re plaquey.
Tony: Because your dentist said that. That doesn’t mean that I’m just a plaquey guy. There’s reasons that that’s going on and you wanna look at why that’s happening.
Will: Yeah and so…
Kinna: Plaque is the new black.
Will: Oh God. So then she has a lot of questions about like knowing how to phase things out. And this is why we love self testing. And how we teach it in the courses about how to track your own blood pressure. We have videos that show how to do that. And you can really put responsibility or empowerment into your own life. Where you start to know when your blood pressure’s in the right range or if it’s dropping too low and then you can teach your doctor.
Tony: Right. And you may need to. And what we’re doing is we’re helping people move away from that uh, take these pills and come back in two months and we’ll see if you’re lips are blue or not. It’s about taking responsibility and taking action and being a participant in your own health. That’s a big deal.
Kinna: And making that doctor spend more than 10 minutes with you when you’ve been waiting an hour and make him like answer questions.
Will: And, you know, another thing, this makes me think of, I don’t know how many, it’s usually in older generations, but there’s been a bunch of like clients that I’ve had, that have been on conflicting meds, where they are like on a blood pressure lowering med, and an antidepressant, like that is pushing their blood pressure back up, and they are staying in this weird hovering place, and they usually have no clue how the different meds are working, or where their blood pressure is.
Tony: Right, so they are kind of driving with their foot on the gas, and the brake at the same time, and if you’ve ever tried that, a lot of people look at you.
Kinna: You don’t get far.
Tony: Yeah, there is a lot of people staring at you when it’s happening. But, lets talk about this a little bit, cause this will be a big deal. Um, so, if you are going to try and lower your blood pressure naturally, and you are on meds, it’s super important that you are monitoring your blood pressure, at least every day, or so, and seeing where it’s going. And, what will happen is, as it starts going too low, you’ll start to either have dizzy spells, you you will be depressed, or just wiped out tired, um, a lot of the things that go a long with low blood pressure like we talk about. So, you really have to watch what you are doing and then you have to, when it gets in range, you have to talk to your doctor, about lowering it, but I had clients that he started doing everything right, he reduced his carbs, and he started to uh, improve digestion, so it wasn’t all just junk in his blood, so now, his blood is thinning out, blood pressure is coming down naturally, he’s drinking more water, and he started having dizzy spells, and he fell down. So, he goes to his doctor, and is like well, I was told that my blood pressure was too low now, and that maybe we should reduce these meds cause it’s pushing it too low now, and that maybe we should reduce these meds since they are pushing it low, and the doctor said, well, don’t reduce your meds, just use more salt.
Tony: So, what I am going to do is I’m going to give you a natural remedy, to improve the situation, that I am causing synthetically.
Will: Yeah, Yeah, it’s just not thought all the way through.
Tony: Right, right, so it’s not in their education, that you can come off the meds, so, you may need to uh, either teach your doctor that, or, find a doctor who understands that, if, you know there’s a lot of doctors now, that they love taking their clients off of meds, when, once, the situation has improved, so, find one of them.
Kinna: Um hum, ok, so, Richard, from Jalalabad, Afghanistan, ok.
Tony: Wow, we are international.
Kinna: Yeah, we are. And I cannot
Tony: Blowin up.
Kinna: I cannot do an Afghani accent.
Will: Try, try, try.
Tony: Just make it sound Jamaican.
Kinna: It won’t bother Shipping Wars Roy, anymore, maybe he should have worked on his BP. Wait.
Tony: Oh, it’s that guy.
Kinna: It won’t bother Shipping Wars, Roy, you mean,
Tony: It’s that guy, yeah, there’s a show, and it’s called Shipping Wars,
Kinna: And this guy died?
Tony: Yeah he died, recently.
Tony: And, he was only like 49 and so that’s kind of scary, but it helps you understand, that it, that’s why the meds can be o in a short term because it’s a really serious situation.
Kinna: Yeah, Larry, from Victoria, Texas, What are some of the side effects and ways to combat high blood pressure?
Tony: Side effects, are dead, that’s a side effect. You dead.
Will: Yep. Yeah, well when we think about the other things, there’s some bit of like sideways thinking. When people think about like, oh if I lose weight, my blood pressure will go down. They are blaming like the fat, or, they’re blaming stress, and those are contributing factors, but we don’t want to think like fat is causing the high blood pressure, it’s related, like co-concurrent symptom.
Tony: Both symptoms have the similar cause.
Will: Ya, right like the metabolism is off, the digestion is off, there’s metabolic issues that need to be addressed so.
Kinna: Yeah, cause if that were true, all fat people would have high blood pressure, and you know, even at a100 pounds heavier, I was still very low.
Kinna: When I first met Tony, I was like 90 over something.
Tony: Yeah, right.
Will: And that’s you know, every body’s nuance, and their own issues, causing their own unique constellation of symptoms.
Tony: Right, so get away from that remedy thinking, that I I can do this to fix low blood pressure, it’s not about what’s going to fix quote unquote blood pressure. I’m doing air quotes right now.
Kinna: Uh huh.
Tony: I feel like I need to tell people when I do that…
Tony: Just because it’s so stupid to do that, but…
Will: Especially on a radio show.
Tony: Um, right. Um, I combed my hair for this show too. But it’s…
Kinna: I wish you would’ve brushed your teeth. Ahhhhh!
Tony: Well, that’s a whole other thing. That’s effort. Um, but I don’t remember what I was saying. Oh, it’s about looking at the person.
Tony: It’s about finding their cause for the high blood pressure.
Will: Yeah, and in general, like the ways to combat it we wanna look at the typical causes of high blood pressure, like we’ve already talked about it. There could be a whole bunch of other things going on.
Will: But usually, it’s like they’re not drinking enough pure clean water and their blood sugar’s usually high. And sometimes they have this catabolic imbalance. And sometimes they’re in a sympathetic nervous system imbalance. And there’s different causes to all those things and it’s kind of related so in general, restricting your carbohydrate intake and drinking more clean pure water and making sure your digestion’s working well are really key things for most people.
Kinna: Can it be genetics? Predisposed to high blood pressure like all your parents and…
Tony: No! Never speak again.
Kinna: I was just posing that question. Because I was gonna you know….
Tony: That is a good question. That’s probably what 80% of the people think?
Kinna: Exactly. I speak for the people.
Tony: Right, you are. You’re a people rep! Um, and they can have they it be contributing factors like genetics can play a role in um, directions your body may lean towards, but we can always improve those things through lifestyle choices and stuff. I also want to hit a little more on what Will was talking about. You know making sure you improve digestion. Not only the ability to break down the food, so all the food doesn’t turn into garbage, but when we talked about bile before um, I really see that this is a big deal and if you’re going to work on your blood pressure, working on bile flow is huge because when the body puts the filth into the bile, so that it can be removed from the body, so that it can say bye–bye filth, if that bile is too thick and sticky and it’s not flowing correctly and this happens a lot because of all the chemicals in our food they seem to thicken up our bile, so that it’s not flowing correctly. Um, but if that bile can’t flow and exit, then it starts all that filth starts seeping back into the bloods so it can filter out through the liver again. So it just kind of becomes this filthy cycle. And now our blood is filled with junk and the blood pressure goes up.
Kinna: So I’m not fat. I just have thick bile.
Will: Big boned. Big bile.
Kinna: Yeah, exactly.
Will: But on the same tip of that looking at digestion and blood pressure. That’s kind of the second end of digestion with the bile flow and the elimination. On the front end, if you don’t have good stomach acid production, a lot of the food that you eat especially the proteins aren’t gonna be broken down well. So they’ll end up occurring to your body as toxins that just kind of circulate and that’s one of the main contributing factors of lymphatic congestion which is really intimately related to the blood cause these proteins that aren’t broken down well.
Tony: Right. Right. You’re just causing more problems than you are good.
Kinna: Um, Jodi. Mine is high. Last night 155 over 105. Quit smoking, fair health, no meds. Made me too tired to work. Only bad thing left is stress really. So now what? Alcohol.
Tony: Uh huh. I felt like I just had sex cause Jodi sounded really sexy at the beginning and then she got annoying.
Kinna: Oh! Ahhhhhhhhhhh! That’s good to remember for a character choice.
Tony: Uh huh.
Will: So she didn’t say anything about a low carb diet there or that she knew what her body chemistry was doing so she could have any of these imbalances contributing to problems. Even if she thinks she’s eating a healthy diet like a vegan diet or whatever.
Kinna: But like her stress? I mean, what hypnosis, uh, meditation, uh?
Will: Needs to get laid.
Kinna: Yeah, get laid, uh?
Tony: I just did. Let’s talk about a couple of things with her too. Is she did great by quitting smoking because smoking not only puts all that filth in your blood, which is gonna thicken it, but it also constricts your vascular system. And that’s why people get so addicted to smoking cause if a person’s a low blood pressure person now the smoking can lift their blood pressure to where they feel like a human.
Kinna: And it makes Tony wanna slap the crap out of you.
Tony: Uh huh. Cause it stinks. That’s o.k. That’s a different topic. Um, but so that’s one thing she did correctly and don’t think that stress doesn’t count at all I just don’t want you to look at it as the cause of your high blood pressure. It almost never is.
Tony: It’s not like your whole body is gonna be functioning correctly and then you’re just so stressed that your blood pressure’s all jacked up, but it’s still a contributing factor because when you’re stressed your body makes chemicals. I mean it’s all that stuff gets all jacked up and hormones and that’s put in place to help us run from a lion. Adrenaline and all that.
Kinna: Well, like with stress too, exercise helps with stress. Maybe she should get a punching bag or something. Or punch her husband.
Tony: She can punch me like you do.
Kinna: Yeah, that gets rid of my stress.
Tony: Uh huh. But taking steps to reduce stress can help, just don’t look at it like that’s the answer.
Kinna: Oh, oh, I see what you’re saying now. Okay, Daniel, from Granbury, Texas. Which I may know you, Daniel, because this was my first professional show, that I ever did, and got paid for was in Granbury Texas, at the Granbury Opera house. So.
Tony: They had stripping at the opera house?
Kinna: Yeah, yeah. Exactly.
Tony: That’s great.
Kinna: Cut back on obvious causes, and was fine for about a year, slacked on aerobic exercise, and it returned, will try again.
Will: Well, he’s got it figured out.
Tony: Yeah, yep.
Kinna: I don’t think he needs us, he’s gonna try again.
Tony: Um, that is kind of the same thing with stress, you know, maybe Will, you might kind of talk about some of the benefits that come from exercise, but again, usually it’s not such a thing that it’s gonna fix everything. Usually there are other things going wrong, that are causing the high blood pressure.
Will: Yeah, it can definitely help, though, when we exercise cause for a lot of people that are high blood sugar, high blood pressure and are overweight, they’ll really benefit from exercising cause exercising really increases the cell’s ability to bring sugar in and burn it and use it for fuel even if they’re very insulin resistant. So, while they’re restoring their cells sensitivity to insulin it’s a great way to kind of get a head and get your blood sugar to be used as fuel rather than just sitting there and making things worse. So weight training, like more intense strength training as well and cardio also can be good.
Tony: Yeah, if you can drink a lot of water and you sweat a lot, now your body can remove a lot of filth from through the pores too.
Kinna: You ever seen a cheeseburger come out of a pore?
Tony: I haven’t seen that.
Will: No. No.
Tony: But I would take note.
Will: Right. On that too, like infrared saunas and things like that can be useful. I would not recommend relying on that for your weight loss, low blood pressure goals because that can be just dehydrating and if you’re not correcting the nutritional aspect of it as well, it’s just kind of like your using a single parameter and it’s gonna mess you up.
Tony: Right. Right. Or if your body’s not sending water to the kidneys so you’re basically just gonna try to pee out of your pores all day that’s not the right step to take.
Kinna: Ew…Okay, Robert, from Highsprings, Florida. Can some otherwise healthy people have higher than normal pressure consistently, over a lifetime? Mine’s the same now at 220 lbs. as when I weighed 145lbs. in highschool. 130/95. It was higher at 150/95 a couple of years back. I also have hemochromatosis.
Kinna: That was pretty good that you said that right, Kinna.
Kinna: I know. Because someone else I know.
Tony: You’re very impressive. Awe…so yeah, that was an issue that I was dealing with too, so that’s something to look at Robert is that iron really thickens your blood. That’s what hemochromatosis is is it’s an iron overload situation where the body just absorbs more iron than it needs. So that would certainly jack up blood pressure a lot. And I did, when I saw this question, I asked him some other stuff too cause I’m like related to him now.
Kinna: Uh huh.
Tony: But uh, he had numbers that were just insane high iron, so that would certainly play a part in that. As uh, when it comes to can somebody just have higher blood pressure all the time, I would want, I don’t think anybody could answer that because I think you’ve got to look at what’s going on. I mean they could have no bile flow for most of their life and that would, the filth would raise their blood pressure. There’s lots of things that could be going on.
Will: But when we look at like this other thing about how his blood pressure he said he balanced it out, but it was kind of the same whether he was 220 or 145, it’s just like someone could be a healthy bodybuilder potentially and have like all balanced body chemistry they just have more muscle on them or they could be a thinner like marathon runner and still be balanced. It’s just a matter of how well is your body is keeping it’s homeostasis regardless of how much muscle mass you have.
Kinna: No one thing is right for every body, right?
Kinna: You might find that in one of T.C’s books.
Tony: Oh, I have books?
Kinna: Uh huh. @ kickitinthenuts. Kick your fat in the nuts, Kick your depression in the nuts, Kick your period in the nuts, Kick everything in the nuts, Kick your boyfriend in the nuts.
Tony: That’s a different, I haven’t written that book yet. I probably won’t.
Kinna: I’m waiting for that one.
Tony: And also the cause of his blood pressure could’ve changed through life. You know at point, it could’ve been higher iron and at another point it could’ve been higher sugar. You know there’s no way to really know that.
Kinna: Alright. Misty, from Mount Zion, Illinois. My mom was hospitalized and then put on beta blockers. I say it is 100% diet. Thoughts?
Will: You want me to talk about beta blockers?
Tony: Um, let’s hit the diet first and then you can hit the beta blockers stuff, but uh one thing about diet is I agree that it’s 100% what we eat, but if you have high blood pressure, you may not be able to view it by as fixing it with just food. Because um, you may have other issues like digestive issues that may not be repaired by just changing what you’re eating. So if bile’s not flowing you need to take steps to do that. We teach you how to do that in our FREE courses.
Tony: Yeah. The FREE course, digestion course and stuff. But uh, so it is really all about food and they got there by eating a lot of things that we should not be producing and serving in the cafeteria, but that doesn’t mean that your mom could fix it with 100% food. You may need to take other steps as well. So now beta blockers you wanted to….
Will: Well, again it’s like not really our place to say whether you should or shouldn’t take medications, we just want to focus on, returning to what are the causes behind these persons, individual, imbalances, and what can we do to fix that, so, like what is going on in their digestion, where does the self test that they do, say where their chemistry lies, and work on correcting that, so they no longer even raise a red flag about why a doctor would recommend a beta blocker in the first place.
Tony: Right, right, it’s about finding a point of reference instead of just blindfolding yourself and throwing darts and hoping you don’t hit somebody in the eye.
Kinna: Yeah, just becoming aware, and like all medication is not evil, some people need it, but just knowing that there maybe other solutions out there, that don’t have to effect all of your internal organs, in the process.
Tony: Right, a big step is to look away from a condition I have, cause that’s what people do, and a lot of people do. And, the problem is lots of conditions have more than one cause, especially this one, that we are talking about here. So, that is when it becomes important to look at the person.
Will: Yeah, and what I do, when I look at a particular medication, you wanna say, ok, what, parameter are they trying to push around, like, is it your blood pressure, is it a cholesterol score, what, is it you know a high sugar level in your blood, and then start thinking, what is happening in your diet, and with your body, why would it be, why would that parameter be off? Rather than just having a drug that pushes you back into, what they say is a healthy range. What are the causes and the effects, of things going on in your life, and in your diet, and in your lifestyle? So.
Tony: True dat. I just true dat.
Kinna: He just trued dat. I mean, I mean, you are always like, food journal, food journal, food journal, so, if somebody is having issues, they could just be journaling everything that they are eating, putting in their mouth, you know, anything that is going on, and saying, ok, my blood pressure was high that day, maybe take this food out, or something I don’t know.
Tony: Yeah, if my blood sugar, is always 150, then maybe I don’t eat Kit Kats for dinner every night.
Tony: Maybe adjust that.
Kinna: Exactly, and I don’t think we are all aware of what we are putting in our bodies, all the time, cause we are living in such a fast pace society. That we are just grabbing it, and going, and we don’t realize, oh I had 12 cookies earlier.
Kinna: So, ok, so, Matt, Cheyenne, Wyoming. Meditation does work. Find a happy place.
Tony: Yeah, I think that is cool Matt, I think you sound alright. Um, and I don’t have a problem with that, that’s another thing if like stress is a contributing factor, removing that contributing factor can be helpful, it just may not be enough to be the answer. If that’s not, if stress is not 100% your underlying cause, it’s not going to fix the problem.
Will: Yeah, I, I think, like when we talked about all of these things whether it’s a sympathetic state pushing up your blood pressure, meditation could definitely help, but I have also found meditation helpful in organizing my life better, so, like I’m not frantic, I’m not like missing meals, I’m not just eating whatever cause I’m starving, and I think a lot of people especially in busy cities like LA, like they aren’t planning enough, and meditation, even though it like takes some time during the day, it also helps like save me a lot of time, by I’m less frantic, and I’m a better planner, and that can really help.
Tony: And, I find that I mostly meditate, just in the hopes that somebody will walk in and catch me doing it, cause I want to look cool like Patrick Swayze did, in that Roadhouse movie, or whatever that was. Um, but I still feel that, that is a benefit.
Kinna: Yeah. Alright, Bobby Jo, from Brownwood, Texas. Bobby Jo, I’ve got family in Brownwood, so you may know the McMillians, and if you do, say “Hey”.
Will: What up?
Kinna: Uh, natural remedy? Just, that’s it, that’s his question, is there a natural remedy?
Tony: Uh, yeah, Bobby Jo, and the next Vio,
Tony: Violetta, in New York.
Tony: Yeah, talk about triggers, yeah, that is kind of what we were saying, is kind of move yourself away from that. There are natural things that you can do, air quote, un-air quote to remedy the situation. But that doesn’t mean there is a natural remedy that is going to fix high blood pressure, because the cause, whatever it is that remedy works on may be different than what’s causing the problem for you.
Will: Yeah, we’ve talked about a number of different possible contributing factors, and you may have some or one or all of them, but in general, you want to look at like is your digestion working well? Like your stomach acid, and your bile flow? Are your blood sugars balanced? Are you drinking enough pure clean water? And are you over consuming carbs or not? Like we kind of look at all of those things.
Tony: Right, how is your body doing with those sugars, and also what is your body doing with the water that you are drinking? All of those things are important,
Will: Yeah, and then we look at triggers, for Violettas questions like any one of those things that are off those could be your triggers.
Will: So, when we think about some herb product to lower your blood pressure, like you know they say it works on like 60% of the population. Well, that’s cause there’s all this variety of what’s going on in each person and it might help push some issue in some useful way, for some people. But you are not really going to get to the bottom of it until you understand what is going on for you. Your digestion, your blood sugar, your metabolism, your nervous system, your water flow.
Tony: Yeah, so, we are going to wrap up here, but I wanted to hit on one thing that we talked about on another show before, with Will, and that is a lot of people don’t understand that they would have been put on anti-depressants, you know that they would have been put on 20 years ago, and have been using them their whole life, and now, they are on high blood pressure meds, and what they don’t understand is that a lot of anti-depressants work by restricting a persons ability to pee out their salts. So more salts stay in their system, their blood pressure comes up, and then they can function better, and uh, listen to our depression episode if you don’t understand how that can be effected that. But, now the person is on two meds, and you’ve had clients that have gone you know, both ways with that too, where they were on high blood pressure meds, and then they had to be put on anti-depressants.
Will: Umm-hum, yeah, and a lot of times, cause they’re doing it mindlessly, and they’ll go in and get their physical done twice a year, and that’s when they learn where their blood pressure is at and sometimes they are taking the right amount of meds that are keeping their blood pressure in the right zone, but I don’t want people to think that, that is a sustainable way to go about it cause those are very toxic issues that are like poisoning your liver every time you take em, but it’s also like avoiding the problem of what’s going on with your digestion, your metabolism, how your body is using fuel and eliminating waste, so don’t think that just because you keep your blood pressure where the doctor says it should be that you fixed the problem.
Will: And, it just, in case from my, of me, I, I can’t talk, this is a question from me, like what if your blood pressure is just up one day? Does that mean it’s always up or? You know, does that mean….
Tony: No, you know and that’s,
Kinna: So, if you check your blood pressure once or twice, a year and then they subscribe you something, just cause that particular day, your blood pressure was up for some reason you were in an incredible amount of pain or something was going on.
Tony: And that white jacket syndrome that they talk about, where your just scared cause you are in the doctors office that could be for real some people are really freaked out that they’re going to be told that they are going to die in three weeks, and they don’t have time to even set up a garage sale. So, that can be real, so lets talk about steps a person should take if they have high blood pressure, and one of them is to do what Kinna just said, really, um, which is a little shocking to me…
Kinna: Oh, my gosh, cause I had a point? I had a good point, oh my gosh, oh, wow.
Tony: So, Kinna won’t be on the show next week.
Kinna: Yeah. Exactly.
Tony: Um, but is get a blood pressure cuff. Ya know, it’s like $50. You can find them cheap at any drugstore anywhere. Um, and just have one so you can check your blood plessure.
Tony: Your plessure. But know where you are. Um, and that’s the first step of being conscious of what’s going on with your body. It’s also good to check your blood pressure at least 2 hours after you’ve eaten. Not right after you ate where all those you know carbs are being converted to sugars and it’s in there. Look 2 at least 2 hours after you’ve eaten so you can see where your body is while it’s not in the middle of digestion craziness.
Will: Yeah, and they can watch a video demo of how to do that blood pressure thing if you go to our FREE online course at kickitinthenuts.com. There’s a FREE 4 week course on digestive issues that will walk them through all the different self tests. So, in the process of checking their blood pressure they can also start to see where they rest in these different imbalances that we’re talking about.
Kinna: And you’ll also get to see what Tony looks like and Will. So that’s a plus.
Tony: Will’s so pretty.
Kinna: And so is Tony. I just like to give Tony a hard time. Okay, so I think that’s it? Anything else?
Tony: Let’s uh, maybe another couple of other steps that you know is looking at do you know what water is? That’s important. Don’t forget that. If you’ve never seen water then just stop by 7 Eleven and just be like I understand that you have something to show me. Um, and maybe start adding some water in. Not coffee, juice, cokes, soda. None of that is water. We’re talking about actual water. Um, and then you know, all those things with figuring out if bile flow all that important stuff is there and just know that you can correct this problem. It’s not a genetic thing that you are strucken with and that you’re just stuck there.
Tony: Strucken. Another person from Texas trying to talk to the audience.
Will: And another resource they can look at is on that same kickitinthenuts.com, on the courses tab, is our 12 week fat loss course. Which really gets in deep to all these issues. Fixing your digestion, looking at and understanding your imbalances and there’s also a workout program built into that which can really help speed the results in getting your blood pressure down and losing fat and balancing your chemistry.
Kinna: All good stuff. So in case you didn’t catch all of our plugs, you can learn more about how to look at your own chemistry, you can read any of Tony’s books or take the FREE 4 week digestion course at kickitinthenuts.com. Well, ya know tune in next week and we’ll be talking about something else.
Kinna: Yep! Applesauce.
Tony: We’re gonna mention applesauce and have a different health topic, but I think we’re gonna mention applesauce.
Will: And Eczema.
Kinna: Cool. And Eczema. I’ve got something weird going on with my ass.
Will: Yeah, we’ll talk about that later.
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