Kick It Naturally – Understanding Eating Disorders

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T.C. Hale is not a doctor and does not claim to be a doctor, licensed in any type of medical field. Don’t be an idiot and use anything heard on this show as medical advice. This information should be used for educational purposes only and you should contact your doctor for any medical advice. Now get off me.

Kinna: Hey everybody! Welcome to Kick It Naturally, I’m Kinna McInroe, and I’m here with T.C Hale, author, natural health expert, producer, person who…

Tony: Socks wearer

Kinna: Socks wearer. Person who makes coconut oil explode everywhere.

Tony: Man, I’m awesome like that.

Kinna: Yeah, yeah.

Tony: Did a little science experiment yesterday and uh,

Kinna: I have 3^rd degree burns now.

Tony: Uh huh. That’s fine. It’s a good thing I like coconut oil because it covers the entire kitchen.

Kinna: Uh huh. Now you can just throw some chicken up against the wall when it’s hot and it’ll cook.

Tony: It’ll cook up nicely.

Kinna: All right. We also have with us little hottie patottie, Will Schmidt, today who’s looking nice and tan. Have you been tanning or what?

Will: Uh, I went to the beach over the weekend.

Kinna: Oh okay, okay. He goes to the beach and he gets all dark and I could like stay at the beach for a year and I’d just turn into a big freckle.

Tony: One big freckle.

Will: Yeah, one day.

Kinna: Maybe they’ll all connect though and then I’ll look dark? So, if you haven’t already followed us then what is the defugalty? You need to follow us. That’s an old Texas word. Defugalty.

Tony: That was the word of the day last week.

Kinna: It was?

Tony: I think so. Defugalty?

Kinna: I’m using that word a lot, I guess.

Tony: But if you get word of the day that’s a different one if you can’t remember.

Kinna: Okay. Actually the word of the day could be coconut oil.

Tony: It could or explosion.

Kinna: Explosion exactly. So as long as the explosion isn’t in my pants then I don’t care.

Tony: Yeah, we can move on.

Kinna: So go ahead and follow us right now on Facebook at kick it in the nuts. We’ll post topics that we’ll be doing on future shows and you guys can post any questions you want us to cover in that show and then we’ll cover it if we can.

Tony: So we found out some big news yesterday one of our stars on our upcoming documentary “Why Am I so Fat”, just got named as one of the new trainers on The Biggest Loser.

Kinna: Cool.

Tony: So by the time the movie comes out, everybody will know her and then maybe, accidentally everybody’s going to want to see the movie.

Kinna: By the time the movie comes out. It’s been what, 12 years?

Tony: It has been 17 years.

Kinna: I was 4 when we started.

Tony: Right, right. You only weighed 8lbs. then.

Kinna: Yeah, I had to put on weight for the role.

Tony: Uh huh. You’re dedicated. You’re like Tom Hanks.

Kinna: Uh huh. Exactly. So today we’re talking about, what are we talking about? We’re talking about eating disorders. This is a touchy subject with a lot of people.

Tony: It is. It’s a serious subject for a lot of people and people deal with a lot of issues and you know there’s a lot variety. There are different types of eating disorders. You can pick and choose from which one you experience the most.

Kinna: Whichever one you want…potluck.

Tony: Basically we’ll talk and we will get to the binge eating disorder cause that’s a classification.

Kinna: We also have a whole episode on bingeing.

Tony: Yeah, so we’ll do that one a little later. If you want to hear more about that particular eating disorder we have a whole episode on cravings and binge eating.

Kinna: That’s my favorite.

Tony: It’s your favorite.

Kinna: Because it doesn’t require starving. So, I like that disorder.

Tony: You can find that on iTunes. Search for Kick It Naturally. So let’s talk first a little more about the anorexia and the bulimia.

Kinna: Well, I have a question right off the bat, I have a feeling it may be what you’re going to talk about. But are these in your head or does physiology play a role?

Tony: They’re in your head. I don’t think anything is in your head. Like people are told a lot of times well, that’s in your head.

Kinna: Your brain.

Tony: No, my brain is not in my head.

Kinna: Oh, it’s in your pants?

Tony: Yeah, that’s where I keep it. It’s in my pants. I just don’t, the way that I view things and the way that we see with clients and people reading books and stuff is that what’s going on in your brain is affected by your physiology. Now that doesn’t mean that life can’t play a role, I think that, especially with eating disorders, there can be life experiences that have contribute to this. You know there could be traumas in childhood or whatever kind of stuff, but the advice that’s out there for eating disorders is not great and it’s pretty vague. The summary of it is, sorry about your luck, sit and talk to somebody for an hour, everyday, for the next 15 years and see what you figure out.

Kinna: Yeah, you know I tried OA for a while. I tried all the A’s.

Tony: All the A’s.

Kinna: I just hit, you know, every A out there.

Tony: AAA you got towed and that didn’t help?

Kinna: Exactly! I tried it for a while and I thought you know, they were going to make me write down what was my food, my trigger food and then I could never have it again.

Will: Wow.

Kinna: That’s kind of like abstaining from alcohol and drugs you could never.

Will: What’s your favorite cocktail?

Kinna: Yeah, like if I said pizza was my food, I could never have pizza again. If I ate pizza that was considered a relapse.

Will: Wow.

Kinna: And you had to deal with a sponsor every single day checking in and all that. It was just too much work.

Tony: That was like a full time job for you?

Kinna: Yeah.

Tony: But that doesn’t mean it wouldn’t help somebody.

Kinna: Exactly.

Tony: It certainly would and taking steps and being aware and all those things are great things. They’re very helpful. Even getting counseling or seeing a psychologist or whatever are all beneficial steps that could help for some people.

Kinna: But I think that if you like go to therapy and stuff you should have like a cut off point because if you just keep going in there and talking about the same thing over and over and the same problem it’s just going to keep creating that problem. For me..

Tony: From what I believe I agree with that. Um, I think Will would probably agree with that too. So nobody’s going to punch each other in the face about this?

Will: Not yet.

Kinna: I don’t think so. I think it’s just staying in the problem.

Will: Yeah.

Tony: But the problem is that these are really the only options that are out there for people, so what we’re going to do today is we’re going to talk about something very different that you may have not heard before, but it may accidentally make a lot of sense to you and then if you take some steps to look at where your body is, you might see that what we’re saying maybe applies to you and you might be able to do some stuff about it. So one thing we’d want to look at is um, let’s talk a little bit about anorexia first. That’s the one where hey, I’m not going to eat anything because I’m too fat to me and I want to be skinny. So, when people view this as an outsider, they’re like, well you don’t look good. You look like a POW basically and it’s not attractive, so why are you doing that to yourself. The way that I like to picture this that kind of helps people understand a little bit is if we look at a paranoid schizophrenic, that’s something from the outside that doesn’t make much sense either. To sum it up a lot of paranoid schizophrenic’s are everybody’s trying to kill me. When you look at that person from the outside or you talk to them you say well, I don’t think everybody’s trying to kill you. I don’t think everybody’s after you and it may not be they’re trying to kill you, but they’re just that everything is against me, people are after me, they’re following me, whatever it is. Um, but to that person it doesn’t make any sense. We’ve talked about other issues like depression and ADD and stuff like that that in order for the brain to function correctly it nutrients and it needs fuel to run just like a toaster needs fuel, energy to run. So when a person is not getting the fuel they need to their brain for one reason or another it’s not going to work optimally. And a lot of times with these other issues, like the depression, a lot of times when the brain doesn’t have the fuel it needs it just goes to doom and gloom. It goes to the worst-case scenario that it can come up with like I’m really fat, or everybody’s trying to kill me or I’m just sad my life is worthless. So Will, can you talk a little bit about why somebody may not get either the fuel or the electrical current needed for the brain to function correctly? Then we’ll talk a little bit about how this can apply to eating disorders.

Will: Yeah, I think we can both agree usually the foundation of why people would be short on fuel even if they are eating is when their digestion is weak, when something’s off in it. If your stomach acid isn’t strong if your bile isn’t flowing if you don’t have both of those going you’re going to miss out on most of the nutrition from your food. Also, if you don’t have good stomach acid, protein isn’t a usable resource, if you don’t have good bile flow, then fats aren’t a usable resource. So then you’re only left really with carbs to run the whole show.

Tony: Right.

Will: That’s a very unstable energy source. You’ll get fluctuations of like available fuel and then none. Like this roller coaster and along with that your blood pressure and blood sugar and mental stability and emotional stability all go up and down like along with that bell curve.

Tony: Right and if those nutrients aren’t there to fuel the brain, odds are great that the minerals won’t be there too. The minerals are kind of how the electrical signals in the body travel from the body to the brain and the brain back to the body and if there’s not enough mineral there, messages just don’t travel as well. It can result in a lot of different mental issues and that’s going to be different for every person. Like a paranoid schizophrenic, which is the perfect example, they can be in the grocery store and put grapes in their grocery cart and if you come up after that you put grapes in your grocery cart, to that person you’re trying to kill them. You’re following them and that’s going to be in their head and you can say to them, hey, I’m not trying to kill you. I was just picking up some grapes. That’s not going to make sense to them because they’re in that state of them benefitting from some way from going to that “worst-case scenario” and they live in that place. It’s usually a situation of fear or what their biggest fear becomes magnified is basically what happens.

Kinna: Sounds like Stephen King’s movies.

Tony: It is just like a Stephen King movie.

Will: The Grapes of Wrath.

Tony: Yeah, usually nobody bashes your ankles in with a wooden plank.

Will: Which one was that?

Kinna: Oh, Misery!

Tony: Yeah, great.

Kinna: I love that movie.

Tony: Good times for all. So, a lot of the solutions that are out there are like hey, why don’t you come have treatment and you just have counseling and you just talk about why that person wasn’t trying to kill you cause they were getting grapes. But to the person it doesn’t make sense. So if a someone’s biggest fear is I don’t want to get fat, I don’t want to be fat, I don’t want to be overweight, all the magazines show that I need to be skinny or that kid at school made fun of that other girl that was fat and I don’t want to be in that position. If that’s a person’s biggest fear doesn’t it make sense that their reality could be similar to a paranoid schizophrenic, but instead of fearing like every body’s after you or against you, you’re biggest fear is I don’t want to lose weight.

Will: Gain.

Tony: So, it makes sense to you not to eat it. It makes sense to you that no matter what you look like, you need to be skinnier and for a lot of people in this situation, no amount of talking about it seems to help. What we see happen a lot instead of learning oh, I am too skinny this is not healthy. I can eat more and be beautiful. They learn what to say to sound like they’re on board with what they’re being counseled through. So they learn the conversation and they learn the right script basically.

Kinna: So like body dysmorphia, where somebody looks in the mirror and they see somebody who is fat and they’re not, that is because they’re, well, could be because they don’t have enough minerals and somewhere in their brain it went haywire like the whole “going to the worst-case scenario”, so they actually see somebody who looks fat? Like something’s getting screwed up there because they don’t have the minerals or the signals don’t travel like they’re supposed to or what?

Tony: Right, you know it’s the same way like people look at depression and they’re like why don’t you just not be depressed? You know why don’t you just be happy instead because life is fun.

Kinna: Pharrell says to be happy.

Tony: Yeah, um, so live your life in a song, why don’t ya?

Kinna: Uh huh.

Tony: But it doesn’t translate because the brain is not working optimally enough to feel that joy or experience it. It just seems that when the resources are too low or something’s not functioning right then we go to the doom and gloom. So, I just don’t feel that even though talking or that kind counseling can be an important factor of it, I see that’s it’s very rare where it’s going to fix something.

Kinna: Yeah, it seems like if you were brought up in a household where somebody, your mom, or somebody was constantly saying you’re fat, or doing things like that, of course you’d have some mental baggage that you could work out or whatever, but if you got everything working in your body right, then you would finally be able to go hey, you know that’s really not true or you’d be able to see that maybe more?

Tony: Here’s how I view it and don’t view those life experiences of your mom telling you that you were fat or whatever as if they don’t count. They counted. They got you to where you are, you know, that was part of that whole formula. I think what happens is as humans we’re kind of badass. We’re kind of awesome. Like we’re very resilient and we have the ability to rationalize things and make them in our life in a way that’s like oh, that’s not so bad. I can deal with that. I can move past that. But if you don’t have the resources to rationalize things then a lot of those things become a 10 on a scale of 1 to 10, but if you can get the fuel to your brain and allow signals to travel correctly, that doesn’t mean those problems are gone, but maybe you have the ability to deal with it, as a human, and it goes from a 10 down to a 4 and maybe it’s not all candy and ice cream at that point.

Kinna: Chutes and ladders.

Tony: Yeah, chutes and ladders is what I was looking for. Yeah, I don’t know what that is…

Kinna: It’s Candyland game.

Tony: Yeah, I’m just kidding, but, um, you know maybe everything isn’t great, but it’s to the point where you can deal with it and it’s not going to debilitate you.

Will: Yeah, I think one of the ways we can see people get “stuck”, and I think this is largely what you’re talking about how usually couch therapy isn’t enough to pull someone out of it, is people can get into these eating disorders and undernourishing because they are trying to fit some ideal or they’ve been, like you said, traumatized by some experience. They may like realize they don’t want to do it anymore, but not really be able to get out of it because their body chemistry at that point is so off that they can’t feel good because their body is constantly undernourished, anxious and depressed. A big problem that they get stuck in is when you’re so depleted and lacking in resources you’re really not good at digesting stuff anymore. So when you try to start eating foods that would nourish you and give you more resources and stable blood sugar, they just make you feel bloated and fat and break out and all these different kinds of issues. So now they feel I gotta do a cleanse again cause they just feel gross when they eat those foods. So then they go back to juicing or not eating or just water, and they stay skinny and their stomach feels better for a moment, but then they’re still in this body wasting state. So it’s really a tough thing, 1, to get over the reasons of why you went into it in the first place, but then 2, to know like to get out of it you have to improve your digestion if you’re going to find a diet that is going to work for you and make you feel balanced and stable and get nutrition too. One thing that I see a lot in certain clients that have been through eating disorders and stuff is they’ll get onto a program that is very conscious to not restrict anything, like to not tell them not to eat anything. Like don’t count calories, don’t look at your food, they just want you to be free and comfortable eating and try to get to that point again. And that’s awesome in that whole approach of trying to get away from the phobias around foods, but it also could be even more useful if they’re also doing work to care for their digestion and help those new foods they’re trying to eat work well for them. That may be a necessary stage where they just really indiscriminately let themselves eat what they want to feel comfortable, but ultimately if you can get through that part do some work on your digestion, then it will eventually be a very helpful thing to learn how your body works and how to support it and study your chemistry. It’s not like a crazy diet you need to go on again. It’s leaning how to eat foods that will make your body truly healthy and feel good and be lean.

Tony: Right, and I think that’s the big point is what you hit on, is how do these people stay in this state for so long and get even worse and worse? It’s that catch 22 thing of that you need stomach acid in order to break down your food correctly and pull minerals out so your body can function correctly, but you need those minerals in order to make the stomach acid, so if you get caught in that cycle where you can’t break down food and you can’t pull the minerals out of it, how do you ever fix the digestion? And that’s what we teach people how to do. We teach people how to cheat a little bit and create digestion through supplementation, so you can kind of kick start it until it can get going better on it’s on. So you can see how people can get stuck in that trap of you know maybe one day they do feel like hey, this is kind of silly for me to do this. I should be giving my body nutrition because they start to learn how, you know, starving yourself really causes your body to store fat. You know and it’s not until you get really skinny and you’re body eating it yourself completely and the body is basically cannibalizing yourself and that’s why you see all this Osteoporosis and all these other issues that go along with these eating disorders because since the body’s not getting nutrition it’s eating itself. People can learn those things and that can make sense to them for a minute, but maybe that’s just because they happened to get some nutrients that worked for them that day.

Kinna: Oh, I was going to say when you were talking about like some people go into these treatment things where they say now you can eat whatever you want just to get you over the phobia, that would seem to me if your digestion wasn’t working, which I’m sure you were saying as well, um, would be like then they would just bloat and be freaked out and then go right back into it because of like the fear of Oh my God, I put on 2 pounds this week.

Will: Yeah.

Kinna: That seems like that would be counter intuitive for a therapist to do, but they’re not focused on the digestion part of course they’re just focused on the mental and they probably don’t know anything about that.

Tony: Right. So, it’s just this cycle that begins and to get somebody out of it you need to find ways to introduce some nutrients that are very easy to assimilate, easy to quick, easy to use, like maybe some sea salt and maybe some mineral drops and foods that are easy to digest and then help them build up that digestion. Because when fuel starts going to your brain, we’ve seen them and we’ve learned about this through the work of George Watson and his book Nutrition In Your Mind. That he was turning around flat out full on schizophrenics and making them complete humans. I’ve seen this first hand too with clients that turn into a completely different human being if they can get nutrients to the brain and let it function.

Kinna: When am I going to turn into a completely different human being?

Tony: You’ve still got 6 to 8 weeks.

Will: She really hasn’t let go of that NBA dream.

Tony: Right.

Will: Someday.

Kinna: I’m a slow bloomer.

Will: Right.

Tony: But what’s great is that Kinna thinks she’s a little psycho now, but she doesn’t remember what she was like before.

Kinna: Really? I gotta go back and look at that tape.

Tony: Good stuff. So let’s talk about bulimia a little bit for a second too and I think what happens is, one of the biggest problems is that the world is stuck in this belief of calories in calories out, extra calories make us fat and it’s just not true at all. We talk about that in all our books and courses so we won’t go into to it too much. If somebody views that is true and they eat food that they feel bad about eating then they find if they just hurl it, that in their mind okay, now I’m not going to gain weight. I’ve also talked to some bulimics who say that it’s just this release that makes them feel like everything is okay now. Like yes, they did something horrible, but now that they did this everything is back on track and they’ll be fine. The damage that can come from all the stomach acid coming back up and deteriorating all that tissue and teeth and all that kind of stuff is bad on its own, but then the fact of you not getting nutrition can spiral you even further. You know if somebody eats all this candy and spikes insulin, they can throw it up, but that doesn’t mean insulin’s down instantly. That takes a long time to come down and can be telling the body to store fat the whole time.

Will: Yeah, and you can get into these patterns for a lot of different reasons like whether you’re just trying to be skinny or it can become a habit. Like I remember, years ago like when I was 20, I was doing, I love The Body For Life diet, but I was doing it for a long time and they have a free day where you can eat whatever you want.

Tony: right.

Will: I remember like super hardcore like strict following of the proclaimed/recommended diet during the week and then I would binge just as hard as I was strict during the week. I started doing it so much that I actually threw up a few times from doing it. And then I was like this is nuts. I didn’t mean to throw up. I just like literally ate until I got sick. Then I realized I it was easy for me to throw up, I could just do it on call, I don’t know I’m good at that reflex for some reason.

Tony: Right.

Will: And I got in the habit of that and after a few months I was like, I’ve got to stop this whole thing with this free day. It’s not right for me. It took me months and months, maybe 6 to 8 months to get out of that habit of like whenever I’d have any little thing that I thought wasn’t good for me, I would just uncontrollably binge until I threw up. And I was like this is ridiculous. So there’s some patterning that needs to happen and restructure the whole thing. So since then, I’ve lead a lot of people on cleanses and group cleanses and things like that and what I’ve noticed is when you have this extended period of restriction, it creates this really uncomfortable, unhelpful tension of like feeling restricted. Like you’re sticking to this discipline where you’re usually fighting against natural cravings that your body’s having cause you’re not getting what you actually need. Then this binge period afterwards, where you inevitably feel like a failure and feel awful. I know there’s a lot of proponents out there right now that are big fans of like 3 days or this carb back loading or that kind of thing, but what I’ve noticed is, and I do understand the physiology of doing things where you occasionally overeat or eat more to get your thyroid secretions back up. But what I’ve noticed is that when people try to follow things too strictly like that, they’ll start to overeat and binge and then they’ll feel bad about it and make regressions. So what I’ve come to use as like my guiding principles for creating healthy eating habits and also feeling free are, I think I made a post about this like 6 months ago about this. 3 guiding principles that I’ve found really useful, the first one, and this may not be for appropriate for everyone, but I found them very useful and a much better approach then like a 2 week cleanse or something like that, but the first principle is that nothing’s off limits. So it’s like the opposite of what you were doing in OA with the trigger food or whatever.

Kinna: Uh huh.

Will: When you say nothing’s off limits, you create all the sudden this mental and emotional head space of freedom. I’m not on a diet. I can do whatever I want. At first you may do the splurging thing where you just go out and eat a whole bunch of donuts or whatever, but you’ll get past that and eventually get to a more mature approach. Where the second principle comes in. Where you check in. You pay attention. How are your choices working for you? Do you feel better after you ate that? Did you like having wine and pizza like once or twice a week? Awesome! Is that fine? Or is eating donuts every day was actually not as fun as you’d thought it would be? You know so you’re checking in and paying attention like are you overall happier? Are you getting closer to your goals? Does your life look the way you want? Do you have the social life and freedom that you want? And then the third one is to be charmed. So you continually choose the things that you’re most attracted to like oh, I do like how my brain works when I eat this way and when I don’t have that or when I occasionally have a treat whatever it is. So in following those you eventually develop this maturity of a place of freedom, and awareness of how your choices are working for you and a sense of enthusiasm or like excitement about the choices that you’re making because you’re letting yourself be reinforced by the positive feedback that you’re getting from making choices that really make you happy.

Tony: And I think the one thing that you touched on that I think that we need to really realize is that the dysmorphia, the view of yourself, and am I fat or should I have not eaten that or why can’t I eat that type of thing? I think that that is present in all of us.

Kinna: Yeah.

Tony: I think that’s there for everybody it’s just that some people have it more severely. Like I, there’s times when I’m like oh, man I’m fat.

Kinna: What?!

Tony: I’m not fat. There’s no way that I’m fat.

Kinna: I’m going to throw your butt in rehab.

Tony: But to me, and from where I know my optimal is, there are times where I can have a higher level of fat and so to me it’s like oh, I’m a little fat right now. So, it’s not realistic in the realm of the entire planet, but to me from where I want to be it or where I’d like to be it can still feel that way. So, if someone like myself can feel that way, it makes it apparent that anybody can. It’s just about how we feel about ourselves. So everybody has that.

Kinna: Yeah. I know for me, like I’ve lost a lot of weight, I’m still no where near, I still have a ways to go, I’m close to my goal, but I’m not there, but when I see pictures of myself now I’m like oh, God, I look so disgusting! But then if I like look at a picture of me years ago, then I’m like wow, I can really see the difference, but to me I’m always….

Tony: And look at my ass right now.

Kinna: Yeah, but to me, I’m always that same Kinna. I’m always that same fat Kinna. I don’t know how I’ll feel when I totally get to my goal, but that’s in my head now and you have to fight against that and go you’re different now, you’ve changed, you don’t look like that.

Tony: Right, and those are the kind of things that are great to talk to someone about. To look at different perspectives and to do the mental and emotional work on that kind of stuff. That’s why I think it’s a part of the puzzle. It’s not something that you just skip.

Kinna: It’s altogether.

Tony: It’s just a lot of people are looking at it like that’s the answer. Like if I just do this then I’m going to be okay and a lot of times you just don’t have the resources to be okay. You need help inside your body to make the process easier for you.

Kinna: Yeah, I would have to say, I think I’ve had every single eating disorder because when I was little I was overweight my mom sent me to live with my aunt, I lost a $%^&load of weight and then I limited myself to you know a 1,000 calories a day. Then I learned how I could binge and throw up and take diet pills and diuretics.

Tony: Laxatives.

Kinna: That lasted for several years, then after high school it was pretty much just like overeating. I would just binge and stuff and the guilt that you were talking about, I liked what you were saying like does this make me feel good or not? Because it doesn’t matter, I can be great for 3 months and I decide to have something bad one day, I feel horrible that day. Then I beat myself up and I’m like, it’s not even worth it. I mean how can you have that, whatever it is, and not feel like you’re not an awful person or you failed? Even though you had like 3 months of like being perfect and you lost weight. I don’t know how you get over it?

Tony: Right, so that’s something that, you know we’ve done a thing before where we talked about just go have cupcakes today and just do it.

Kinna: Yeah, I liked when we were on that.

Tony: And then see that life did not end.

Kinna: Yeah.

Tony: You know everything was okay for you after that. It didn’t deteriorate or self implode or anything like that. So, you have to find things that are right with you, but a lot of people that are trying to do things like that are not taking steps to make that easier for them by giving their body resources. So that a) they don’t start screaming for these cravings of all this sugar and junk, so that when they give into that craving because the body’s resources are low and the body’s like hey, I have to have something or I’m gonna not function and they eat this junk, now they’ll feel lousy and they’ll go and throw up or whatever kind of pattern is being developed. So if you can give your body the resources it needs so it’s not screaming for that junk so much, now you can eliminate a lot of that binging, so that you don’t have to punish yourself when you do it. For people that are dealing with those issues, that’s a pretty important step that we see.

Will: I would also say like there is a, I live and work in L.A. and see a lot of female clients that are dealing with this issue. They’re so frustrated because nothing sits well. They can’t digest food. They all come in with pretty similar chemistry and I call it the “skinny L.A. girl profile”. I just know you’re going to have a high urine pH, low blood pressure, fast breath rate, low specific gravity.

Tony: And you’re going to scream at me once during the appointment.

Will: Yeah, and you’re not going to be able to remember what I say in about 45 minutes from now.

Kinna: Then they’re going to cry.

Will: Then we’ll have to end the session because you’ll be out of blood sugar.

Will: And the thing is I get you want to be thin and trim and I also know you can be lean and skinny and still have sanity. You can condition. Since I’ve learned this whole system I’ve been able to like pretty easily put on a lot of muscle mass or cut down and be skinnier and still have balanced numbers.

Tony: And emotions.

Will: And emotions. Yeah, I don’t flip out.

Kinna: But do you think guys have the emotions like girls? I don’t know a lot of guys that are like emotionally crazy all the time.

Tony: I said I’m fine. (in a crying voice)

Kinna: It seems like women have that more.

Will: Yeah, and I think it’s usually because women tend to try to be skinnier than men.

Kinna: It’s true.

Tony: And there’s another thing that’s really big and we’ve never talked about, but I think that both of you are going to be like oh yeah.

Kinna: What?

Tony: The fact is, except for the binging eating disorder, the other anorexia and bulimia are very much leaning towards women. And that’s just who experiences this more is women and especially younger women. That doesn’t mean men can’t they absolutely do, but the percentage is very drastic.

Kinna: Yeah, it’s rare.

Tony: Yeah, but think about what happens. You have this girl, that’s a young girl and what shows up for the first time that freaks her out a little bit?

Kinna: Her period.

Tony: It’s her period and we’ve talked about it on a lot of episodes and in our menstrual cramps book that that period in order for the body to do that cycle, all those functions that happen during that cycle, takes a lot of resources to do that. So as that period gets near or that time of the month is showing up, the body starts putting a lot of the resources toward that cycle and now the person doesn’t have as many resources to go towards their brain towards their other….

Kinna: Women are screwed.

Tony: So women are screwed and then women are screwed.

Kinna: And like you get one good week out of a month.

Tony: Yeah.

Kinna: I’ve got one good week where I’m like I feel great!

Tony: Right, so it makes sense why this happens so much in girls because they’re at this place where they can function, everything is going okay and that’s why they view this as some trauma caused this. Because if there is a trauma that’s stress and stress in the body creates chemicals, it uses resources, it lowers the amount of resources that are available for other things and now all of sudden their digestion starts to go. If their period is showing up that’s even more resources to go towards that and all the sudden their brain is starting to go to that doom and gloom of am I fat and all those things that they’re scared of then that’s the thing that shows up and voila there’s an eating disorder.

Kinna: Uh huh.

Tony: It’s not, I don’t view it as women are more emotional. I think that when women are more emotional, if that is the case, I think that there are some reasons for that including I think women need more resources to allow all that fancy equipment to function.

Kinna: Uh huh.

Tony: Guys, they got nothing.

Kinna: Yeah, guys have it easy. What?

Tony: Balls?! You don’t need resources to make your balls work.

Kinna: Yeah, exactly, but before I forget that whole cheat day thing too, which it may work for some people,

Tony: Let’s go back to that cheat day.

Kinna: It may work for some people, but when I did that too I lost like 40 lbs. really quickly and then it was just like I was getting up at 6 am so I could fit everything I wanted to eat in that day.

Will: Yeah.

Kinna: I would put on several pounds in one day because I was literally eating Mexican food, drinks, cheesecake, pizza it was just awful.

Will: Yeah.

Tony: I think Will knows that cause when we see someone with really low blood pressure and a really high urine pH you know when they eat sugar or carbs it’s going to spike and crash you know we always do tell people don’t do that, but I think there are people who can benefit from it from don’t be so psycho with your self. Maybe just relax a little bit and know that everything’s okay and if you have the resources to do that you can do that, but not everybody does.

Kinna: Yeah, maybe somebody who’s like been healthy pretty much their whole life never really had a problem or issue. I’m more like, once I get to my goal, a cheat meal or a night to drink.

Will: Yeah.

Tony: Yeah, that’s great. That’s great. You know the way that I do it, is I don’t even do a cheat meal, I just do a hey a scenario showed up where I’m out and there’s something that’s not optimal and I’m going to eat it anyways.

Kinna: You’re the most perfect person I’ve ever met though.

Will: I’ve reached my level of optimal nutrition for the day.

Kinna: I mean, I don’t live with you Tony, but I’m around you a lot and I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone as like perfect.

Tony: No, I’ve been showing off a little bit lately.

Kinna: Okay. All right.

Will: You don’t see what he eats when you go home.

Tony: Yeah, there’s a box of cookies.

Kinna: He gets out the ice cream and starts crying in it.

Will: He has a donut delivery service.

Tony: Uh huh. Donut of the month, um, so we probably should answer some questions.

Kinna: Oh okay, cause this was good. This was like therapy a little bit. Thanks! I’ve been wanting therapy for a while.

Tony: So we’re all fixed?

Kinna: Uh huh. So Mike, from Regina, Saskatchewan. I don’t know.

Tony: Yeah, that’s how you say it.

Kinna: Yeah, yeah, something like that? How do they start? Is it a mental trauma?

Tony: Well, that’s good, Mike. Especially with women, what we just talked about I think we just answered that for a lot of people, but a trauma could be something that sets someone’s resources low and could do that. There could be contributing factors of some type of trauma that had to do with food or with someone saying that they were fat or being humiliated that they were fat at a school thing or whatever. Something like that could be a factor, but when you hear people talk about things or when they move past it you’ll hear them say oh, I was bulimic because of this thing that happened to me at school. I don’t believe that it’s just that incident. I think that there are factors that have to be contributing to that as well to make everything come together.

Kinna: It’s kind of like the chicken or the egg. I mean who knows what it was. Maybe low resources?

Tony: It was the chicken.

Kinna: Or maybe some bad thing happened that started the thing in your mind, but then you started the behavior that caused the low resources.

Tony: And the stress.

Kinna: And the stress and all that.

Tony: Right.

Will: I would definitely say that I’ve had clients that were under eaters with disorders that are models. Then they came to me and they fixed themselves and then they started building too much muscle because they weren’t like paying attention to the whole of the story of how to eat and then they had a big show come up and went back to like starving and not exercising and just like wasting away. So, I know that there are like social influences that can cause I definitely know that these people fixed their chemistry and they were functioning and were like I feel amazing, you know, and then they chose to go back into that because of their ideal and their profession.

Tony: Right, and this is something that a lot of people talk about on this subject is that there are so many eating disorders because of the media and the view, and what they tell people. Not the show the View, but the view people have on what the body should look like now and how we shouldn’t be showing that to our kids. I think that all that is a factor, but let’s talk about that some. I don’t think that it is the cause, but I think that it is something that we have to live with now. It’s something that we have to deal with so maybe someone with less resources will fall susceptible to having that ruin their life really.

Kinna: That’s huge and I think that can totally undermine you because like with me being an actor um, yes I want to lose my weight, then I talk to my agent he’s like don’t get smaller than a 6. We don’t want you in there with all the skinny girls. There are thousands of them, there’s only a few of you. You’re taking away your chances. So with him saying things like that you’re like oh my God, works gonna, I’m not really working much now, but I’m really going to be shooting myself in the foot. So even though I know those things are like no, I feel like whatever. I’m still going to be unique enough no matter what size I am. That still gets in your head and you still start to think about it.

Tony: Right. So I think that these, you know, as much as I don’t think this is the cause of eating disorders, I think that it is a factor that people have to deal with and can contribute to what’s going on because yeah, if all those things weren’t in the media, then maybe that little girl wouldn’t create that fear in the first place and it wouldn’t there, but if her brain had the resources to function correctly, then maybe that fear would not be so magnified to her. Maybe it would still be important to her to be skinny or look good, but she would not ruin her health in an effort to achieve that.

Kinna: Uh huh. I blame the media for most things.

Tony: Sounds cool.

Kinna Yeah. Tonya, from Hoover Heights, Ohio. I’ve never been skinny and at times I did not like my body especially as a teenager, but I never took such extreme measures to change it. I’m now 53 and love the way I look. We need to love ourselves for who we are, don’t compare yourself to all the photoshopped pics in magazines. Wow, it’s like she knew what we were talking about.

Tony: It is or we read her question before and just decided to talk about it then.

Kinna: Oh yeah, that’s good. That could’ve happened.

Tony: We’re doing it a little backwards like we keep talking about things and then the questions.

Kinna: We should do the questions first and then talk about it maybe.

Tony: This is like, what was that movie where everything was backwards.

Will: Momento?

Tony: Momento, yeah!

Kinna: John, from New Westin, Ohio. What exactly is a gluten disorder? False. A lie.

Tony: I don’t even know what he’s talking about, unless he’s talking about a gluten intolerance?

Will: You only binge on gluten.

Tony: Right, every time I have gluten I throw up.

Kinna: Yeah. Exactly.

Tony: Yeah, but I so I don’t think that really is there.

Kinna: Yeah, maybe he meant gluten intolerance?

Tony: Yeah, so if you’re talking about gluten intolerance then listen to our food sensitivity show and we talk about that a lot and stuff like that.

Kinna: Cool! Shane, I can’t eat. When I do, I throw up. My girlfriend thinks ulcers. I eat maybe 4 times a week. I’ve lost 80lbs. in the past 6 months.

Tony: Yeah, that’s not optimal if you’re not trying.

Will: No.

Tony: Yeah, so you need to head over to a different show too. We’re just having people show up for different shows. Um, but, don’t view what’s going on with you as an eating disorder just because you’re throwing up and people with an eating disorder throw up. There are probably some issues going on with digestion for sure and maybe liver function and toxicity, but listen to our two-part show on digestion and we have another one on nausea, right. Yeah, we just did one on nausea. So search for kick it naturally on iTunes and you’ll find those shows and we go into that in a lot of depth and you’re going to be able to find answers for that. We don’t find very many people with situations like that that can’t turn it around.

Will: Yeah, and you should definitely go through our FREE digestive issues course on kickitinthenuts.com.

Tony: Yeah.

Will: So you understand like when you do eat, what’s off in your stomach? Your stomach may have ulcers, but if you’re throwing up all the time you may have more esophageal ulcers like in your throat and stuff.

Tony: Right, and if you do have ulcers they were likely caused from bacteria which could be what’s keeping your digestion from working and making all the food that you eat become fermented and rotting and toxic so your body’s like hey, guess what, I don’t want this.

Kinna: And you just made a bunch of bulimics jealous.

Tony: Right.

Kinna: Because you’re just able to do it and lose 80 lbs. in 6 months. So, Jenewa, I’m eating more healthy foods during meal times, but never getting big. I’m still skinny. Well, good for you.

Will: That was my problem when I was little. I was like 98 lbs.

Kinna: Oh, shut up!

Will: I’d eat like 9 eggs omelettes and bring steak in a bag and two big weight gainer shakes.

Tony: Just try and do anything you could just to gain weight.

Kinna: So for guys being skinny is just like girls being fat?

Tony: It’s just as hard. I hated it just as much as anybody who was overweight. It was still traumatic. Some kids shoved me down once.

Kinna: Ah….

Will: Yeah.

Kinna: I’ll go kick their butt.

Tony: That didn’t really happen.

Will: Yeah, I think the thing that really helped me finally gain weight was not only growing up. I don’t know how old you are Jewana, but fixing your digestion is really important, so you can actually digest the foods that you’re eating. Cause probably if you’re staying skinny and you’re eating a lot you’re probably just not absorbing those nutrients.

Tony: Right, you’re probably not breaking down the protein into amino acids that can be building blocks to build more tissue and muscle and such.

Kinna: All right. Carolanne. Carol Anne. Go to the light, Carol Anne. Uh, Mike, with me it was a combination of being an overweight child and drama. So she was just answering Mike up there. Uh, Tiffany, There is such a thing as being skinny and unhealthy and those who are not rail thin, to be healthy, the goal should not be what you see on a scale, but what is best for your body. Body images are definitely skewed over here. If you consider being told from an early age that your body is supposed to be picture perfect, this goes for both males and females, and you are human so your body developed a different way, then people tend to get self conscious instead of accepting who they are. If everyone were the same, life would be boring.

Tony: See I think all these things are like so, so, so, so, so, so, true. I think that it is important that we start to get this message out there and people are doing it a lot right now that just understand who you are that’s what counts. It’s not about what your body looks like.

Kinna: As long as you’re healthy.

Will: And a size 2.

Tony: Right.

Kinna: As long as you’re healthy and skinny.

Tony: And look like this. No, but the conversation is starting up and I think that’s important for us to have out there, but I don’t like it in relation to I’m going to talk like this because this is what causes all the eating disorders. I think that it’s just a factor.

Kinna: Yeah and I don’t like it when really big girls act like they’re totally okay when I know they’re not. Like I know them personally. And then they act like this is me, this is me. I’m beautiful, I’m totally happy. I’m blah, blah, blah, blah. And I’m like no you’re not. You cry every time you get drunk about it.

Tony: Right.

Kinna: You know, but don’t put that out there either. Yes, it’s great to be okay with how you look and to love yourself no matter what size, but if you’re unhealthy you don’t feel good and that’s not good to put out there either to get seriously overweight because that stresses everything in your system.

Tony: In your body.

Will: And when you look at like obesity, when you’re in an actual obese state, you can look at it like other symptoms, like you have Osteoporosis or dangerously high low-density lipids, like cholesterol. It’s not okay from like a survival standpoint like esthetically whatever. It takes all kinds.

Kinna: Whatever floats your boat.

Will: But if you have like health issues causing you to have actual obesity, we’re not saying oh, you’re ugly. We’re saying that’s dangerous.

Tony: It is and I think the confusion comes in because a very obese person can go to the doctor and they can get their blood work done and their blood work will come back perfect and the doctor will say you’re healthy, don’t worry about it. The problem is that if you are obese overweight, there are things going wrong and your body is dealing with those things by shoving stuff into fat cells and by being in a state where the body stores more fat. Yes, you still have the ability to compensate and to keep your blood in a healthy good range that shows up on blood tests, but in the background, behind the curtain, the wizard is really freaking out. There’s a lot of stuff that really needs to be working better and then when it is you’ll drop that weight.

Kinna: Arshdeep.

Tony: We’ve had Arshdeep before.

Will: You are really nailing those names today.

Tony: It sounds like you’re just making up names.

Kinna: I don’t know. Ass deep. Arshdeep, no matter how much I eat, every time it results in an increase in my tummy fat. Is that a problem?

Tony: Another one where we just answered that. Boom!

Kinna: Yeah, I can consolidate actually. Lisanne, there’s a lot of Annes. Carols and Lisannes. Is it possible that you had an eating disorder before and it may return? I’m in therapy and take meds. The meds make it impossible for me to skip breakfast for example. They instantly make me dizzy if doing so. I’m scared it may come back. Well, I think breakfast is a good idea for everybody, but that’s just me.

Tony: So she’s saying that if she skips breakfast that the meds make her dizzy instantly.

Kinna: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Tony: Of course we don’t know what meds she’s on, but don’t view it as you’ve caught some disease and it might come back. It’s not the reality of what’s going on. The reality is that the behavior is being created by what’s going on in your body. So if you look at your physiology, you may be able to figure out some things that are really wrong and if you can correct them, it might even be a situation where not only does it not come back, but you may remove your need for the meds and the therapy. You know, I’ve had clients who were going to therapy for over a decade for just for their cravings. That was all they went in for. And in two weeks after fixing digestion, they didn’t have cravings anymore.

Kinna: What do they talk about for 10 years? Pizza?

Tony: Pizza and Ding Dongs. I have no idea. Yeah. I don’t know, but, um, look at your physiology. In our 4 week free course on digestion, we teach you how to look at simple tests like blood pressure and pH’s and stuff like that and just the way your body’s breathing and it can give you an indication of what’s maybe going wrong and then we can show you steps you can take to fix them.

Will: Yeah. I know certain big groups have like fundamental positions of like once you’re an addict you’re always and addict. I don’t know how, that’s obviously working in some way where it feeds an addictive personality where they get to keep coming to meetings forever, but for me just existentially and physiologically that’s a very disempowering false position.

Kinna: Uh huh.

Tony: Right.

Kinna: Yeah, that’s another reason why I didn’t want to go because I didn’t want to say that to myself everyday.

Will: Right.

Kinna: You’re an addict, you’re this, you’re that, you’ve got a problem.

Will: Yeah, I get like there can bio-chemical dependencies on things and even patterns of eating.

Kinna: Even genetics to a certain degree, maybe?

Will: Yeah, but you can even shift genetic expression.

Kinna: Uh huh.

Will: You know?

Tony: Right.

Will: You can definitely shift body chemistry and it’s responses to food and if you’re looking at like presently this person is in a bio-chemical pattern with his eating pattern that can be shifted. And when it is shifted and you do have a different biological response to food can you say you’re not addicted anymore or are you going to hold on to that little staff and say no, you’re always going to be addicted.

Tony: Right.

Kinna: And that becomes their identity. I’m an addict. That’s everything. Like that’s their mantra.

Will: Yeah.

Tony: You’ve got it.

Kinna: Oh, hello, Raphael, my eating disorder is I eat too damn much!

Tony: So we didn’t talk about binging a whole lot, but maybe we should just hit real quick, sum up in a few beats, Will, if you in….

Kinna: In four words.

Tony: In 4 words and one chorus of a song, any song you want that is appropriate, uh, why do we have these cravings that cause us to unexplainably eat stuff.

Will: Can’t Get No Satisfaction.

T&K: Nice.

Will: Four words and the chorus of a song.

Tony: 100 points.

Will: When you can’t digest your food, you can’t get satisfied by the nutrients that should be in it, so you’ll just keep eating.

Kinna: I like this game. We need to play this game more often.

Tony: So, don’t look at it as like you’re a sugarholic. It’s not the reality. The reality is that your body doesn’t want crackers and pizza. What it wants is nutrients and when your body’s not getting nutrients it will scream for these simple sugars because it can use them in a quick pinch. It’s easier for your body to break down these simple sugars, so that’s what it screams for it.

Kinna: You know that might be a good idea. When you have a craving to go, my body wants nutrients, my head wants pizza and say do what your body needs.

Tony: Right.

Will: Or compromise. Sprinkle some vitamins on top of pizza.

Kinna: Yeah, stuff some beet flow on your pizza.

Tony: It’s a lot more complicated than that, so listen to our full episode on cravings and binging to get all those details.

Kinna: All right, Melissa, from Hanford, California. I’ve been eating so healthy, that now when I do indulge or have a cheat meal that I eat less the following day and over do it at the gym.

Tony: You know when you look at what they consider eating disorders anorexia or bulimia it’s not just that may be I’m not eating or I’m throwing it up, that they categorize it that maybe a person eats something that they shouldn’t have and then they go and exercise way more than they should. Or don’t eat for days or they take way too many laxatives. They view the laxative situation as just as bad. If you’re doing the laxative situation, it’s not the way to be skinny. You’re just seeping the poop out faster. You’re just changing the way your body gets rid of stuff, but you’re not absorbing any of those nutrients.

Will: Yeah and I know there’s, just to reiterate again, I know there’s a lot of proponents out there about cheat meals and having cheat days and it’s a really normal practice. They’ll usually back it up with some science saying this is good because it’ll keep your metabolism up. If you want to look a little deeper into that a really mature balanced approach to that was presented by Rob Fagan in his natural hormone enhancement book, where he talks about a couple of times a week like 3 or 4 days apart having a higher starch meal at dinner and that resets your thyroid. This is always with a grain of salt cause it all depends on the individual’s chemistry, but if you’re looking at like the metabolic effect that people are usually after with the cheat meal, that pattern of eating where you have some like complex starches a couple of times a week, in reason, is a way to keep your metabolism up. It’s much better than binging on anything you want for a whole day for the reasons we’ve already talked about.

Tony: Right, and keep in mind that like Rob Fagan and other people that do this type of method are also eating very low carb the rest of the week and they’re allowing insulin levels to come very low and allowing the body to dig into fat storage, so it’s not just eat the way you’re eating now and then throw a pizza on once a week, that’s not going to be effective for you.

Will: Yeah, it’s a whole system.

Kinna: Lois, I developed bulimia whilst I was in the Australian army. I suffered a serious career ending injury and I knew if I was super skinny I would get sympathy and hopefully keep my job and not get medically discharged. When you suffer an injury in the forces, it’s okay to be skinny and injured, however, if you’re fat or slightly overweight with a serious injury you’re regarded as a veggie. That of a person left in a vegetative state after a serious accident. I’m not sure how the system works now, however, that’s how it was when I was in the Australian army. This worked for me for 3 years, however, in the end was medically discharged. Now I’m fat due to chronic depression. Lol That’s crazy.

Tony: I guess you’re not that depressed. You’ve got “lol” on there.

Kinna: Yeah, she had a good laugh that day.

Tony: The part that stood out to me the most was I didn’t know Australia had an army. It just seems like everybody likes Australia.

Kinna: Yeah. Do they ever fight?

Tony: I don’t think they ever get upset with anybody. I don’t picture them needing to be…so that was interesting to me.

Kinna: They just drink beer and hang out with kangaroos.

Tony: But it just seems like everybody wants to go there and vacation there and nobody’s mad at ‘em.

Kinna: I know I do.

Will: I would be in the Swiss army.

Tony: Yeah!

Kinna: Cause you get a knife?

Will: Yeah a fancy one, but he’s got a serious thing.

Kinna: That’s kind of sad too. If you’re overweight you’re considered a veggie?

Will: That’s awful. That’s horrible troop morale, but now he’s in like a, when you starve yourself like that, you’re shutting down your digestion and then when you do try to go back eating you’re not going to metabolize the foods you want, so you end up getting sick, fat and tired for all the reasons we normally talk about. So you need to start by focusing on fixing your digestion and then learn how to eat in accordance to your body chemistry. So you might want to check out we have a full 12-week course on fat loss where we take you through that process, which might be a really helpful thing at this point.

Tony: Right, just keep in mind that also when you do starve yourself your body is like oh, I’m starving, so I’m going to shut down all of these processes that I do normally that are not the #1 priority and I’m going to start storing stuff as fat in case I have even less tomorrow cause I need emergency back up fuel. So, you just kind of caused yourself to actually gain weight when you do that. When you do start eating food again, your body is still in this I’m reserving everything mode and your metabolism, generally speaking, will be much slower.

Kinna: Even when I’m like eating healthy and you know eating very clean and I’m losing weight and stuff, if I do throw a kink in there and have something bad it seems like I gain weight really fast and you’ve told me that everything is coming out of the bloodstream. Right?

Tony: Well, if someone is obese they’re a toxic individual. Something is going on.

Kinna: They’re a veggie. I’m kidding.

Tony: No, but, once they start eating right and correcting some things and helping their liver to actually function and to remove waste, now the body’s like all this junk I’ve been storing in fat cells, I can start pulling some of that out so that it can be removed from the body now. The coast is clear. Toxins are not coming in on a consistent basis anymore, the coast is clear. I can do some maintenance work. So now they pull junk out of the fat cells and you know it has to circulate through the bloodstream and different areas, so that the liver can filter it out and if it’s in the process of doing that and you throw toxins in again, now you’ve got the toxins the body was trying to remove and the ones you just put in and so it becomes overwhelming. The body’s like Ugh! Reverse engines. We’ve got to go back to what we were doing before and hurry it up with it.

Kinna: But once you get to your ideal weight and you have lower reserves of fat, then it can easily…

Tony: And your body is not so toxic and it’s much better at removing junk.

Kinna: Exactly!

Tony: You know our body is made to handle that some. We can put some junk in and the body can handle that, if we’re at a state where we’re functioning at a level that it can do that.

Kinna: Yeah, because I really want some squirt cheese.

Tony: Who doesn’t? Squirt cheese it up!

Kinna: All right!

Tony: Let’s say this, if you have an eating disorder, know that you can improve the situation and it doesn’t have to be through just viewing your situation differently. You can help your body function better, so it’s easier to view the situation differently. And if you’re listening to this because you have a loved one that’s dealing with an eating disorder, know that they really have to want to improve. Unless, you’re sneaking stuff into their body intravenously while they sleep or something, I don’t know how to get nutrients into them if they’re not willing to take the steps. I think most people are, but just know that the best step you could take is to educate yourself on how the body’s supposed to work. They’ll probably let you look at their blood pressure and pH’s and they’ll probably let you look at where their physiology is and then if it is in a place where it’s obvious that they need help, then you can take the next step to see if you can work towards helping them take those steps in fixing digestion.

Kinna: And if that doesn’t work, hit them over the head, tie them up and make them listen to this podcast.

Tony: Yeah, Kinna has good sense, but even that, you know, people could listen to this and be like oh, that makes sense, but still in a moment when the brain is looking at the worst possible scenario, but still everything is going to be doom and they’re still going to be more afraid of gaining weight than anything else. You really have to find ways to get the little steps in there. Maybe get some sea salt is the first step. Just to get some mineral in there to help the body function, but just know it may not be overnight. You may need to take little steps and build up to it.

Will: Yeah and sometimes people have like vindictive reasons even for taking on eating disorders like to hurt their parents or something like that.

Tony: Sure.

Will: But, I think there are a lot of them that are aesthetically motivated and then are biochemically reinforced.

Tony: Right.

Will: Like when you’re out of balance, you keep thinking weird patterns, so what you’re saying is really great where if you can work, do work just to balance your body chemistry and get your brain able to function right or your emotions to feel un-triggered, then you can start to look at yourself more rationally and when you do that same work, you’ll start to feel better when you eat foods. Like you won’t feel gross, you won’t get as bloated, you’ll start to have more energy, you’ll start to be able to have lean muscle mass and lose fat by doing all this which is a big chunk of the goal behind a lot of those aesthetically motivated eating disorders.

Tony: You know I will say this that I have had a client in the past that had an eating disorder and her digestion was really poor. Her blood pressure was really low and she’d get very constipated, but she didn’t feel like she had an eating disorder. She was not to the point where she could either see that or admit it or any of that stuff. But she hated being constipated. So I just geared all the efforts towards let’s fix your constipation and of course to do that in a lot of cases you have to fix digestion. So we fixed digestion and improved the constipation, that digestion helped pull minerals out of the food, so that she could function better and think better and was able to improve the underlying eating disorder as well. So maybe sometimes if they’re not willing to accept that they need help with an eating disorder, maybe they have another issue that they just hate and you can say well, lets just work on that instead.

Will: Yeah, do you want to just not be bloated and constipated?

Tony: Yeah.

Will: Yeah, I’ll do that.

Kinna: Do you want to grow your hair back and your receded gum line?

Tony: Yeah, to fix bloating you have to fix digestion to do that. You have to fix stomach acid so when you do that you may accidentally fix the ability for the body to have resources.

Will: Uh huh.

Kinna: Cool. We got anymore, boys?

Tony: I got nothing.

Kinna: All right. Well, if you want to learn more about how to look at your own chemistry you can read any of Tony’s books or take the FREE 4 week digestion course at kickitinthenuts.com. You can also check out Will’s mybodyofknowledge.net.

Tony: And if you’ve heard anything in this show that you liked, go back to iTunes and leave us a review cause that helps us spread the word.

Kinna: All right. Until we talk again.

Tony: We will. Bye.