Cravings and Binge Eating Episode Transcripts

Kick it Naturally – Cravings and Binge Eating

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T.C. Hale is not a doctor and does not claim to be a doctor, licensed in any type of medical field. Don’t be an idiot and use anything heard on this show as medical advice. This information should be used for educational purposes only and you should contact your doctor for any medical advice. Now get off me.

Kinna: Hey everybody and welcome to Kick It Naturally. I’m Kinna McInroe and I’m here with T.C. Hale. Natural health expert, author, film producer.

Tony: Hello.

Kinna: Hello. And we also have a guest star today.

Tony: He’s so fancy.

Kinna: He’s so fancy and he smells delicious ladies. Um, he’s Hollywood’s celebrity trainer and nutritionist to the stars. Uh, it’s Will Schmidt everybody. Say hello to Will.

Will: Hi.

Kinna: And Will to them.

Will: Hi.

Tony: Let’s pause for each person to say hello to Will. We’ll wait.

Kinna: Yes. We’ll wait.

Will: How many people are listening?

Tony: 17.

Kinna: We’ve got 17 listeners to wait for. Uh, yeah, so today’s topic we’re gonna be talking about cravings and avoiding binge eating.

Tony: Shazam!

Kinna: Wow. Those are some big topics and I know you know those are some big things with me for sure, so if you’re listening now go ahead and follow us on Facebook at kickitinthenuts and we’ll post topics that we’re gonna be discussing in future shows and you guys can post any questions you want us to cover in that show. Ah, but getting back to the topic: cravings and binge eating…what’s up?

Tony: Yeah, what’s up with that? Let’s talk about that a little bit, Will. And why don’t we talk about the some basics that we see a lot in clinic and then um, we’ll go into some questions and get into more in depth stuff.

Will: Yeah. I think maybe the best news we have to share with people about this is that it’s usually not so much a matter of like will power which is who knows how to fix that it’s a whole other esoteric realm of it’s you know it’s hard to get a hold on. But when you know some of the base chemistry that causes cravings, it can really really help fix things right away and I think some of the main things that I think you’ll agree this that we see that cause that are when people’s blood pressure is too low or their blood sugar’s unstable or they’re not getting the nutrients that they need from the food because they’re not digesting it well or eating the right ones for them.

Tony: Right. And it can be a combo of those.

Kinna: What about if someone’s craving attention? I mean…

Tony: They just need a hug.

Kinna: Oh, ok.

Tony: Or a spanking.

Kinna: Oh, hm…. that’s a different show. That’s the midnight show everybody.

Tony: But most people do think that they’re just flawed. And that it’s a personality disorder that I’m a chocoholic or that I just must have sugar or I’m gonna punch you in the face and they just think that that’s how they are and that’s what they were dealt.

Kinna: You guys are psychic cause I was gonna ask is it psychological or physiological? Physiological.

Tony: You know it really can be both though and I think you kind of have to look at both, but I think that when once me and Will kind of explain some of these things that go along with a lot of cravings you’ll see that there can be a psychological aspect to it. You know maybe you do have trauma from when you were a kid and your uncle locked you in a closet and said finish this case of Twinkies or you can’t come out. You know something can effect from your childhood that would make a relationship with food maybe a little different or little whacked.

Kinna: And I have a feeling you’re gonna go into sciency stuff, aren’t you?

Tony: I am. I probably will go into some sciency stuff.

Kinna: AHHHHHHHHHHH!

Tony: But the thing is like I think if you can understand some of the sciency stuff then the trouble of the craving can go from a 10 down to a 2 and maybe that psychological factor is still there, but it’s manageable and you don’t come out of a trance in the middle of a Seven Eleven uh punching their clerk in the face asking him why he’s out of your favorite chocolate. You know like you can manage yourself.

Kinna: Uh huh. I was really hoping this was gonna be like a therapy session, but I guess not.

Tony: It’s probably not.

Kinna: Hm. Darn!

Tony: I know.

Will: And I think that is and as much as we in our practice focus on just the biochemistry of it, I know there’s a lot of clients that I’ve worked with that they learn the chemistry part of it and they’ll be doing the program for a bit and then they’ll sabotage it.

Kinna: Uh huh.

Will: Like they’re getting more balanced, but then they’re like they wanna be fat because it protects them from the opposite sex or something like that.

Tony: Sure.

Kinna: Amen.

Tony: You gotta address those issues for sure.

Kinna: I have men chasing me everywhere. So then I have to sabotage myself.

Will: Right. You just be like how can I get….

Tony: Uh huh.

Kinna: How can I get to my car without getting raped? I’m gonna eat a twinkie.

Will: Right.

Tony: Right.

Will: So it’s real, but I would say it’s definitely not my area of focus or expertise. Like we’re not psychologists.

Tony: Right.

Will: We can point people towards them when we feel like that’s a primary issue, but in our realms, I totally agree with you, like the more we can balance their body chemistry, the better chance they have of dealing with those aspects as well.

Tony: And I have had clients that were going to a therapist just for their cravings, and they had been doing so, for, over a decade. And, then once we fixed physiology to where the body is actually getting what it needs, and it’s not screaming for give me ‘Nilla wafers, then she didn’t need to see her therapist any more, and so, it is in some cases very possible, just to knock it out completely, by helping the body get what it needs.

Kinna: I would be so ticked off, 10 years of paying a therapist, I’d send her a bill, and be like lady, you probably screwed me up more, than I was when I first came in.

Tony: Right, right. Cause when I got here, I was craving, and now I scream hysterically any time I see a Smurf, so I don’t know what you did to cause that.

Will: Yeah, yeah, and that’s always been my approach too, that’s why I work in health and fitness, and like deal so much with food and exercise, because I found that most of the time, like the body is so primary, in our mindset, and decision making, and a lot of times, like the voice in our head is really just responding to what the, you know,

Tony: Right.

Will: The deeper primal drives the brain is giving it.

Kinna: So it’s not the inner child screaming at you that it’s hungry, cause my child can scream really loud, and it’s got tunnel vision, until I feed it, so it’s just an imbalance mostly?

Tony: Well, your child may be a little bitchy, too.

Kinna: Ya, that is my child

Tony: And I can see how that would be,

Kinna: That is my child, I’m a ginger, so,

Tony: That would be the situation, but, yeah, a lot of times, if you can give your body what it needs, and you can also, uh, um, change what you are eating, and please your body a little bit. Not that way, don’t please your body that way, but I mean, you can please your body by giving your body,

Kinna: I was about to say, were gonna go there. It’s still the midnight show.

Tony: But, let’s look at a couple of physiological things, that, most commonly cause cravings, and I’ll say the biggest one, like Will was saying, is low blood pressure and, and what happens is, and we’ve talked about this on another episode before, where uh, if minerals in the body go very low, a person can have seizures, and a seizure is basically the body just shutting down. And if blood sugar goes super low, a person can also have seizures, but if sugars and minerals both go low at the same time, that really jacks up the percentage or the chance of that person having a seizure. And, so, what we want to make sure you don’t think is if you are having a craving, that you are about to have a seizure. That’s not how it is,

Kinna: I was about to go grab a cookie right now.

Tony: Right, yeah, just so you can make it through the end of the show.

Kinna: Uh, huh, exactly, I’m gonna have a seizure!

Tony: The body is just super defensive when it comes to seizures, and it really plans ahead, and it will send out the signal of hey, give me a cupcake, you know, way ahead of time. But, that can be a big thing, so we will talk a little bit about why somebody would have low blood pressure or low minerals.

Will: Ya, um, a lot of the time, we see low blood pressure, and we look to digestion, as a very likely problem in that persons case. Cause if the digestion isn’t working well, they can’t break down the food that they are eating, and they can’t get blood sugar, and electrolytes, and minerals and everything like that, from their food, so, it just kinda passes through them, and causes nausea, and toxicity, and their blood stream remains depleted. So, overall their blood pressure remains really low, even if they feel full all the time, it’s just a lot of it is coming from them not breaking down their foods well enough, usually because they don’t have enough stomach acid, or they have poor bile flow. Uh, what I see, a ton of the time, with all of these like skinny Hollywood girls that I work with, is, they starve themselves to the point where they don’t have enough of the minerals that they need to make their own digestive juices. Like the chloride they need to make hydro chloric acid.

Tony: Right.

Will: So then they’re all really low on HCL, and they don’t break down proteins, because of that, and so they end up only being able to access energy from carbohydrates, which don’t require HCL to, to breakdown, and so they get on this little sugar roller coaster, but they know carbs make them fat, so they try to eat them as little as possible, so they just go as long as they can, feeling spacey, and tired and hungry, and then eventually their bodies give them the seizure warning. Like, dude, you’ve got to eat, I don’t care,

Tony: And they snap.

Will: Ya, and they just binge.

Kinna: Ya, that was, that was another one of my questions, when I finally allow myself to give into a craving, I’ll just binge until I’m stuffed, cause I’ll think this maybe a while before I do this again, so you better make it good.

Tony: Make it count.

Kinna: Make it count, you know?

Tony: If I’m gonna screw it up, I’m gonna screw it up all the way.

Kinna: Exactly, I’m kind of an all or nothing, and I guess that’s where I’m trying to find that like the middle ground, and be more balanced with that, but sometimes, it’s just like, I don’t know, there’s a beast inside of me, and, you know, I’m not very tall, so it’s like where is this food going to go? It’s going to go out. So, yeah.

Will: So, with that, like, like

Kinna: No comment?

Tony: Yeah, I do.

Will: Oh, go ahead.

Tony: Well, I think a lot of times what happens is, you know, especially if what you are eating that is a sugar or a carb, or, that’s for people who don’t have great digestion, that’s the easiest thing to break down, is a sugar or a carb. Especially, todays processed foods that are just junk. But, those are the easiest things for the body to digest, so when you start eating that sugar, you know, we can use sugar to buffer low minerals, so we don’t have the minerals the body needs cause digestion is jacked, um, we can buffer that with sugar, and if sugar is super low, we can buffer that, with minerals, like salt, that is why we usually crave like salty, or sweet foods. So, once you start putting something sweet in your mouth, your body gets all excited like yeah, that’s what I need, give me a crap load of that, just keep putting that in there. Um, the problem is, is that if you’re a person who’s cells are not responding to insulin so great, you can’t really process that sugar right. So, we’ll talk about that a little bit more when we get into some, diabetes kind of stuff too.

Kinna: But can you be addicted to sugar, can that be an addiction?

Tony: Sure.

Kinna: Ok.

Will: Yeah, especially when you fall into that trap of not being able to get energy from proteins and fats, which could be turned into glycogen, or blood sugar.

Tony: Uh huh.

Will: Well, that’s the point I want to talk about in a second, you can end up relying just on carbohydrates, to keep your blood pressure, and blood sugar levels, at a survivable, or livable state, so you are not going to be able to access the energy stores from protein and fats, and what’s really great about being able to breakdown protein, is that your body, especially proteins that are high in what are called purines, which are essentially amino acid group, that your body can turn into blood sugar, pretty readily. And it can store, those purines in the liver, as this energy form called pyruvate, which is basically like blood sugar in a savings account. So, you could just tap that when you need it, so your blood sugar levels can stay really stable. And with that you, that’s why people don’t have cravings, usually after they eat like a burger or something like that. They’ll be full for 4 hours, when they can break it down. Where as opposed to Chinese food, which is this huge carbo load, they are hungry again in an hour, even though they just had like 1,200 calories.

Kinna: Awwww, that’s good, I just finally learned something.

Tony: Let, Will, let’s talk a little bit about what happens with blood sugar levels, maybe if insulin is too strong, and it spikes and crashes, and how that can create that hour later.

Will: Yeah, yeah, so a lot of these people, like the skinny Hollywood girls, or any one that is in this kind of anabolic imbalance, which we’ve mentioned on previous episodes, will usually have a high urine pH, and insulin, is a hormone that is made stronger when the blood plasma, and the urine pH are high, so, when people eat carbohydrates, that insulin is very powerful, and it pulls the sugar out of the blood plasma really quickly, and into the cells for energy production, or to be stored as fat, if they are not using the carbs actively during a work out. So, their blood sugar then drops low again, kind of quickly, because the insulin was so strong.

Tony: It kind of over powered.

Will: Right.

Tony: What the person really needed is to use that sugar, and then it drops the sugars to low.

Will: Yeah, so then they are hungry again, real quick. Or, on the opposite side, like say they’re insulin resistant, because they’ve developed some degree of diabetes. They may eat carbs, but their the cells aren’t letting the sugars in, so the brain keeps thinking, I still need more energy, I’m still foggy. And, so they eat higher and higher glycemic carbs, and more of them, to eventually try to get some of those into the cells.

Tony: Right, right.

Kinna: Now, these skinny wood holly, skinny wood? These Hollywood skinny biatches , um, now that starve themselves, aren’t they just setting themselves up to get fat, later on in life?

Will: Yeah, they become….

Kinna: Yay!

Will: Skinny fat, but in the mean time you can at least know that they are really depressed and anxious.

Kinna: Oh, good, that brings me joy in my life. I’m kidding, I love skinny Hollywood girls, kinda.

Tony: So, maybe lets get into a few of the questions, and then we will get into more in depth in some of these other issues that can cause cravings.

Kinna: Alright, here we go with some questions, I had a whole bunch, this show could just be all of my questions actually. Uh, Janet, salt, salt and bread, not so much sugar, I would kill for a saltine about now. Ok, that was not really a question, but, Janet, I understand, I love salt too.

Tony: Maybe she just likes square things?

Kinna: Hm, yeah.

Tony: But that’s what we crave a lot, and people say, well I don’t crave sugar, I crave, pizza, and I crave…

Kinna: Chips or

Tony: or crackers, but that’s just carbs that your body turns into sugar.

Kinna: Mmm humm

Tony: So, it’s the same type of situation, if she’s looking for salty things too, so that kind of goes along with how we explained it. You can buffer the low salts with sugar, and you can buffer the low sugars with salts, so your body just may crave different things, at different times.

Kinna: But yeah, my body has craved, uh, when I was younger it was mainly salty, and now as I get older, it’s like sweets. It’s like give me sweets, I don’t know what that’s about, but, is there some kind of biological explanation?

Tony: It’s just a preference for the body, in what it’s needing, and what it’s finding easier to break down and to utilize at that time, you know, it’s more than we can ever say, you know put a finger on. We can just pretend to know stuff, but we don’t, we don’t really know stuff.

Kinna: Mmmm hummm Their lips are just moving, and they are just, they’re

just pretending. Uh, Keely from Los Angeles, California, wants to know, why am I willing to commit a crime to get chocolate? Cause it’s good, it’s real good.

Will: I think with chocolate, it’s um, it’s an exceptional food, in that it has, it

does have really high mineral content, and a lot of like ones that are not present in a lot of other foods.

Kinna: So, if you are going to go out, go out with some chocolate, huh?

Will: Yeah, but it’s also, it’s also a stimulant, it also contains Theobromine. Which is like a love sort of chemical in our bodies, so it makes you feel better. About life, and yourself, and….

Kinna: That’s why you get chocolate on Valentines Day.

Will: Yeah, and it, you know, as, a stimulant, and this is like another, a thing that may be related to like why you crave sugar, stimulants, accelerate glycolysis, or the processing of sugar. So, when we look at people with diabetic profiles, they’re almost always in what we call a sympathetic imbalance, or a fight or flight nervous system imbalance, and that’s not cause they are necessarily stressed, or stuck in traffic, or whatever, it’s because their nervous system is trying to speed the flow of sugar to their brain, and to the cells.

Kinna: I think that is why I always jump when you walk into a room, or you’re behind me or something, I always freak out, cause I’m always in fight or flight.

Will: Right.

Tony: She is like the biggest sissy, like if you come in the neighborhood…

Kinna: Yeah, I’ll scream.

Tony: You have to announce that you are coming or she’s going to scream and…

Will: Text her.

Kinna: And then when you announce, I’ll usually scream too, I’m like Ah!!!

Will: So, that’s a really important piece of the puzzle for a lot of people, because they think they’re just stress cases, and they’re just life is hard, and whatever else.

Tony: Yeah.

Will: But if they can get it, so their body has restored insulin sensitivity, and they have all the co-factors that they need to burn carbohydrates, and they um, and they choose the right foods for them, so they are not constantly spiking their insulin. Then their body can return to it’s ideal metabolic rate, where it’s burning through carbs, and proteins, and fats, at an even keeled pace, which they can tell largely by looking at their breath rate. If it’s like around 15 or 16 breathes per minute, that shows pretty optimized, um metabolism of carbohydrates, and indirectly of proteins and fats. So, that is another reason why people might crave chocolate, in this case cause it’s like it might push them into accelerated glycolysis, so they get like a little bit increase in the stream glucose to their brain.

Kinna: Yeah, so if you have low blood pressure you’re probably going to want like some stimulant to like jack you up, so at least you feel like your awake. Maybe.

Will: Yeah, in some cases, but like they also, if they have low blood pressure, they are usually along the fast oxidizer imbalance, like that they kind of tend to go together, so stimulants like a straight stimulant, that doesn’t also have minerals in it, like just caffeine,

Kinna: Or like coffee?

Will Would make them messes, like I’ve seen most skinny girls in that case, feel really anxious when they drink coffee, because they are already burning through carbs so quickly, that sugar puts them, or the caffeine puts them faster into that, so they get all shaky and hypoglycemic.

Tony: Another thing with chocolate too, that kind of makes it this triple threat player, is that, uh, a lot of girls that you see, that are really crazy about chocolate, that are kind of leaning too anabolic, they also have a blood stream, that’s tending too alkaline, and when the blood stream is too alkaline, um, oxygen can’t get down to the tissues where it needs to be, and you kind of feel wiped out, and tired and stuff, but chocolate, can help acidify the blood stream, so, if you are low blood pressure, and overly alkaline, now this chocolate can help thicken up your blood stream, so you’ve got some gumption in there, it can also push it more balanced, instead of overly alkaline, and now your body can utilize oxygen, so chocolate is like crack to you almost.

Kinna: But it sounds like it could be good, you should make some chocolate supplements or something.

Tony: Right, ya, let’s patent that.

Kinna: That would be some good times.

Tony: Um, but, for somebody else who’s blood stream is already too acidic, now chocolate is going to make them much worse, so, that’s why, that is why some people go insane for chocolate, and that is why this chick is going to commit crimes for it.

Kinna: Uh huh, and next time I see a skinny chick at a Starbucks, with a coffee in her hand, I’m just going to knock it out. And say, you don’t need that honey.

Tony: I’m here for you baby.

Kinna: Yeah, I’m here for you.

Will: What’s cool about looking at like particular cravings like that, is that, um, there just like Tony said, there are three things that it could solve, for this one person, and yet it’s still, it might be a good choice for some people, but, a lot of the cravings that we get even though they really benefit a couple of aspects of our chemistry they’re still like much better choices that could be made. Like I had one client who he never binged on anything and just every now and then he really needed a diet coke and when you look at like…

Kinna: Oh, that one’s a hard one.

Will: Yeah, and when you look at it it’s like what did diet coke do for him? He was way too alkaline so the carbonic acid or the bubbles like acidified his blood stream and he was a slow oxidizer so the caffeine sped it up and he was generally dehydrated so like the little bit of water in it like would contribute to it, so it made perfect sense why he would crave a diet coke, but that still doesn’t mean like that’s his solution.

Tony: Yeah, you don’t want all those artificial sweetners and everything, so the solution isn’t more chocolate.

Kinna: Aww….

Tony: What we’re saying, yeah, is that even though you tell a person like that that that we want you not to have….

Kinna: What if someone is really skinny though and they could handle some chocolate?

Tony: Well, that doesn’t mean that the chocolate’s still gonna be good for them.

Kinna: It’s still sugar.

Tony: Just because they’re skinny doesn’t mean that they don’t have insomnia or that they’re depressed and anxious and all these other things that could be that the chocolate could be causing, but the solution is to fix the physiology, so that the person doesn’t need chocolate they can just have chocolate when they want to have chocolate. It’s not this thing that screams at ‘em and yells at ‘em and they’re like a prisoner to it.

Kinna: Yeah, I wanna have the choice. I don’t want it to control me. I wanna choose. Yeah, exactly, yeah.

Tony: Right. Right.

Kinna: Um, okay, Dawn. I can go for weeks eating right, but when I snap it’s binge city.

Tony: So Kinna can probably explain that to us.

Kinna: Hm. Yeah. Well, you got a lot of crap going on, Dawn. I feel for you. You’re probably low blood pressure, You’ve got low mineral resources, something with glycogen and some crap like that…

Tony: You’re getting too sciency.

Kinna: and sugar…I don’t know I just spaced out while they’re talking and I just look at them because they’re pretty.

Will: Aww…but I think that like her comment is just brings to light how important is to be able to know how to do your self tests and check in with what’s going on in your chemistry.

Kinna: It’s so boring.

Will: It can be boring, but it’s just helpful. Like say like you feel the craving coming on and you measure your pH’s and you look at your blood pressure and you know the right answer so you can maybe let yourself binge that time, but then you know what went out of balance right before and you can you know take steps to fix ‘em.

Kinna: I mean just anything even with the word “test” in it I get ya know anxious and I feel like I wanna cheat, I wanna pass this thing, so I’m gonna cheat on my numbers. Ya know I was really this on my pH’s ya know. It’s weird.

Tony: Alright, we’ll send somebody in the bathroom with you to watch you pee on strips.

Kinna: Watch me pee on a strip. Exactly.

Tony: Nina, that’s gonna be your job. Your Kinna’s pee officer.

Kinna: Uh huh. Nina. Uh huh. Uh Janie, from Danville, CA. I usually only crave potato chips, but when I do, I will eat the whole bag.

Tony: Yeah and I think what happens with these people who do well for long periods of time and then once they get something in it they go nuts is that the body kind of remembers that hey, those potato chips were easy to break down, I very easily turned them into sugar that I can use right away and I can stop the body from going towards a seizure because the sugars were able to buffer those low minerals. Plus, potato chips have what? Salt. So you’re getting salt and sugar that’s a bonus ya know. So, what happens is once you taste that the body’s like yeah, I forgot I could use this so easily. Let’s get a bag full of this. Please keep sending it in and the person can’t stop eating, but when it’s not real nutrition, by the end of the bag, the person’s still as hungry as they were before they took their first bite. Ya know and it’s like alright the body’s like hey, thanks, but I got nothing there. What else you got?

Will: Yeah, and maybe we can just take a second to look at like what is the ideal flow then, like if people are just using this and that to problem solve like chocolate or potato chips or whatever else. Cause like you said they’ll be hungry again in a minute and they just spiked their insulin so they’re not using any of their fat for fuel and they’re on this little rollercoaster so that’s bad it’s not healthy and they’re not gonna lose weight, they’re not gonna feel good, they’re not gonna escape this craving cycle.

Tony: And they have to continue to feed themselves like a hummingbird would who needs sugar constantly because that’s all it burns is sugar.

Will: Right. Yeah.

Tony: If you can burn some fat now you don’t need food every 15 minutes because now your body has some fuel.

Will: Right. There’s like hundreds of thousands of calories on our bodies ready to be metabolized if we can get our self in that zone. So we can get ourselves in that zone by looking at a few different things like making sure our digestion is working great, so proteins and fats are available fuel sources. Choosing the right kind of carbs for us so they don’t spike our insulin. So not a lot of liquid sugars or high glycemic carbs.

Tony: Or alcohol.

Will: Or alcohol.

Tony: I was looking right at Kinna when I said that.

Kinna: I know. I know.

Will: He couldn’t even stop himself. So and yeah and then eating those sort of meals that really give us grounding like slow burning energy at regular intervals. Cause that’s another thing, like you can have your digestion working great and eat a great breakfast and one thing that I’ll face is I’ll be out training people like 12 hours a day and if I don’t bring the right things with me, I’ll get cravings too, even though my digestion’s working great and whatever else, so eating on time.

Kinna: And you’re perfect.

Tony: Aw…not when I miss my meals. So uh, even the food prep and bringing the right foods with you and eating before you get hungry is also a really huge helpful thing to keep cravings away.

Kinna: That helps, definitely. Being prepared I guess is the biggest thing for me. But back to the drinking, so binge drinking binge drinking I mean, can you stop that too? Or is it really you’re just an alcoholic or are you craving it because you’re missing out on resources?

Tony: No, what I’ve found with clients is that binge eating, binge drinking, smoking, drugs…

Kinna: What about binge sex?

Tony: Yeah, binge sex is not the same thing, but with the other 4 that I mentioned that in most cases it’s a body not getting what it needs so either the eating the sugar or drinking the alcohol and the sugar is lifting the blood pressure or smoking is that filth is thickening up the blood and it’s constricting the vascular system so that that raises blood pressure. So all these things are just helping the person function better and yes, they’re functioning on garbage, but the body’s more concerned with right now. I need something to help my body function right now.

Kinna: So we just need to crash some AA meetings or some NA meetings or something and just go in and spread this word and say people,

Tony: Simma down

Kinna: Yeah, just fix your stuff physiologically. PHSYILOGICALLY. That’s a hard word.

Tony: And again, there can be emotional issues. There’s always baggage, but I’ve just seen where it becomes much easier to deal with if you help the physiology get into a place where it’s working.

Kinna: Uh huh. Okay, Dick. I’ve actually taken candy from a baby before. It was gross cause it was half eaten and slobbered on. Well, all I can say, it’s in your name Dick, it’s right there. The answers right there in your name. Um, ya know, I’ve sadly, I’ve done some bad stuff like that too. When you get that craving in your head you just it’s tunnel vision.

Tony: You can rationalize. Yeah, you can rationalize.

Kinna: If I could get to my goals like I could get to a Twinkie, oh my gosh, I’d be like superstar right now.

Tony: And people will talk themselves into the fact that, you know, I think if I ate this whole pizza right now, in the long run, it would help my weight loss in some way.

Kinna: Yeah, yeah,

Tony: And they rationalize in some way,

Kinna: Or I am choosing to eat this whole pizza right now, it’s not you know choosing me to eat it, so. Um, ok, so Amber, I think about what I want to eat, how it will affect my goals, will I regret it, literally, in the morning, what would Tony say? Amber, I think she is sucking up here, I mean come on, she is just showing off. I mean, who sits around and thinks is this gonna get me to my goals? In that moment, I’m sorry, I lose all rationality.

Tony: Right, the difference, is, if you can fix physiologically, that doesn’t mean that automatically your not going to crave anything, but, you might be able to get to a point, where now, you can look at, oh, this might be bad later, and you can actually see that. Cause I remember Amber telling me when she first started, that she didn’t care about any of that, she was just nuts, craming stuff in, and couldn’t stop, but, um, sometimes if you can help the body, it’s still there, you can’t just ignore it, cause you are going to lose every time, but now, you have the ability to think rationally before you find that you are half way through a bag of Twinkies.

Kinna: Ya, cause if I’m using a pair of skinny jeans for motivation, I’m gonna eat the skinny jeans, to get to the other side where the chocolate, or the pizza is at, so, more power to you, Amber! Uh, Laura, from Torrance, California, cut out all grains, sugars, and starchy veggies, then my cravings go away, and I feel better. What is it with these people that have all the answers? What?

Tony: They’ve learned some things.

Kinna: Shoot.

Tony: Well, a lot of these people are in the group that we’ve been you know, teaching stuff, but you know, how do you look at that, when some one has the ability to drop the sugars, and the grains and the carbs, why does that help them, not crave it anymore?

Will: Ya, cause it’s mostly about the blood sugar roller coaster, that they step off.

Tony: Yeah.

Will: When you eat carbs, you spike your insulin, and the insulin, as we just mentioned, earlier tells the liver, don’t use any fat for fuel, until this sugar is gone. Meaning until I’m gone, the insulin, and for a lot of people, that insulin stays in the blood stream, regardless whiter there is sugar there or not, or the insulin is there in abundance, to the point where they run out of the energy from the sugar, but if the insulin is still telling the liver, don’t use fat for fuel, so then, there just in this crash mode, if they don’t have fat they can tap into, and if they are out of carbs, so they get back into eating carbs, and carbs and carbs and they just stay on that train. But, if they can get out of that circle by letting their insulin get low enough, and get back into the fat burning zone.

Tony: By eating foods that are not spiking.

Will: Yeah, then they can have tons, and tons of energy, not only from the food they are eating, but also from their body fat stores, and they can start losing weight, the right way.

Tony: Right, so not only is the food, if you can eat proteins, and low glycemic vegetables, not only can that burn slower, and longer, but it also allows your body to access stored fat, even when that is gone.

Will: Right.

Tony: But, with the sugar spikes and crashes, you can’t do that.

Will: Yeah.

Tony: But, you know, think about like when I first told Kinna,

Kinna: 6 years ago.

Tony: I don’t want you to eat this bread, and these carbs and this kind of stuff, and she just kind of had this little giggle, like, you’re insane, I mean, there’s no way that’s going to ever happen.

Will: Yeah, and I think that, a lot of people have failed, when they’ve tried to do that before, like they’ve tried to do the Atkins diet, or something like that, cause they didn’t fix their digestion, you know, they didn’t restore their ability to use fats and proteins, for fuel.

Tony: So they switch their diet to fats and proteins, but they can’t process fats, and proteins, so they are getting nothing.

Will: Right, right,

Tony: They took away their only source of fuel by losing the carbs.

Will: Yeah, so this is never going to work, right?

Will: And, so, I always, whenever I like get my clients started on protein program, I always say, let’s work on fixing your digestion first, before we totally re-vamp your diet. And it, there’s always the times when they just like switch, to the diet immediately and try to go no carbs, and they haven’t done the work to really build up their HCL yet, and it always, it always makes them crash.

Tony: And then they think, that’s just me, I can’t do it without carbs.

Will: Yeah.

Tony: It’s really cause you can’t process the other stuff

Will: Yet.

Kinna: Yeah, I mean this is not my first day at the rodeo, I’ve been doing this for a long time, and I’ve lost a 100 pounds, gained weight, dropped it again, and you know, so I actually, I do eat really clean, um, but the one thing that I find, is like when you get back you can’t do everything all at once, or you’ll snap. You have to like baby step it back. You have to like ok, what can I focus on this week? Let’s try to focus on this one thing and then the next week you add something in so for somebody to take their carbs out completely right from the beginning I think that’s just like cutting your hand off you know.

Will: Yeah.

Tony: And I think with you especially with you what we’ve seen is that you have to do….

Kinna: Medium carbs.

Tony: The other steps, right, no you have to take steps to lift your mineral levels so your body has something there or you snap.

Kinna: Uh huh. And it’s not pretty.

Tony: Yep. She punches me in the face sometimes.

Kinna: Uh huh. Uh huh.

Will: Right. There’s a lot of nuances to it depending on the person and like we said one of the main reasons people binge and have cravings is cause their blood pressure goes too low. So when they try to do this no carb diet right away without fixing it by either adding more minerals and improving their digestion to break down proteins and fats then they’re just gonna be in dumpsville.

Kinna: Yeah.

Tony: Right and a lot of this stuff is really complicated and we’ll see people that could almost correct everything by adding a little sea salt and all of a sudden they’re like golden and it’s really annoying when those people are fixed so easily. But for a lot of people it’s a lot more complicated. You have to look at other issues, but the good news is that um, in 1000 cases I would say that not 1 has been a problem where that that person has no will power. That’s just not the problem and that’s what most people think. They just thing they’re weak or that they can’t. They have no will power and that’s just never the case.

Kinna: And when people are sitting here going well, how do I find this out? They can go to kickitinthenuts.com and they can take the Free 4 week digestion course.

Tony: Right, and that kind of shows you, and it has me and Will in there, with videos, teaching you how to look at your own chemistry, and uh, Will even shows you his pee, and uh,

Kinna: I thought you were gonna say something else there for a minute. I was gonna say, I have to go back and watch those videos. Ok.

Will: Yeah, and we get more into the nuances of these different imbalances in the fat loss course.

Tony: Sure.

Kinna: Yeah.

Will: So that goes for it.

Kinna: And that’s very, affordable too people, there’s some coupons out there. Um, so, Renee, um, I need new ideas, for substitutes to replace salty snacks. Sometimes, I will eat those roasted seaweed sheets, but would love some other ideas, to have some stuff on hand that is quick and easy, I also read that using digestive bitters, help when you have cravings, I’ve also been trying different herbal teas.

Will: Hmmm.

Tony: The bitters thing, is interesting for 2 reasons,

Kinna: What is that?

Tony: bitters is something that helps you acidify your stomach, so,

Kinna: Is it alcohol though?

Tony: No, its from, it comes like if you have beer, it has something that has to do with fermenting, but, you can buy sweeters bitters, and I’ll have people use like a teaspoon of that, at the end of their meal, if they need to acidify their stomach, and if they can’t use HCL for some reason, um, but, it’s real disgusting.

Kinna: Hmm, that’s why it’s called bitters.

Tony: So, I wonder if people just use it, like if you are craving something, you just have that, and you are not gonna want anything else.

Kinna: Yeah, exactly. You are just going to cut your tongue out.

Tony: But it could just be helping digestion enough to where you’re getting nutrients and stuff too.

Kinna: So, what’s the deal, like I said, I do eat pretty clean, most of the time, so what is the deal when I crave something like really processed? Like oh my gosh, I just want some squirt cheese, or something that is just like, nasty, it’s not even food, but for whatever reason, I’m like, I want it, instead of like I could make myself something bad or fattening, but with some organic or whatever, and it still be bad, and I would still get that craving. But, no, I want like, fast food, or something.

Tony: Well who doesn’t want squirt cheese?

Kinna: I know, I mean, come on.

Tony: Could there be a more perfect invention, ever? Um. Will, what do you think?

Will: I think it’s cause what you said earlier with potato chips, it’s just such a immediate rush, of, of, things that can add to your blood pressure, and your blood sugar. The more processed it is, the less processing your digestion has to do, so it’s like it’s the quickest easiest answer to, uh, push your body chemistry back into like the ideal zone.

Kinna: So, the bad part about process, is it just doesn’t have any nutrients, it’s just chemicals basically.

Tony: Well.

Kinna: But it’s easier to digest.

Tony: Here’s what has happened, in, with our food today, is that, we have, a food mad scientists, who have discovered how to make food taste the way that our body thinks that it is. Because in nature, back when food was what it was, um, we could taste the food, and we know, the body knew what it needed, because things that were sweet in nature, had a lot of minerals in it. Like fruit, you know it was always loaded with minerals, and that’s not the case anymore. So, when we tasted something sweet, it sent this reward signal to our brain that said yeah that’s you want that. Eat more of that because that has the minerals and the nutrients that we need. Same with like fatty stuff and salty stuff. We need those fats. We need those minerals from salts. So what the mad scientists learned how to do was that I can make this Twinkie taste like it has the nutrition that your body wants in nature. So, but I can not only make it taste like that, I can make it taste like that times 10,000. So when you eat it and your brains like Holy Crap, that’s exactly what I need. That has all that has everything I’ve ever wanted in it, please eat more of that. So then your body remembers that, so you get a craving for it later when it’s missing the nutrients that it needs and it’s sending a signal for hey, give me a Twinkie. So you get the Twinkie in your mouth. You chew it up and you eat it and your body’s like yeah, that’s what I needed. But then a few minutes later all that nutrition that it thought it would get never shows up. But it doesn’t look at the Twinkie as a liar, it just looks at it like hey, I must need some more. Give me some more Twinkies.

Kinna: And it’s so weird cause when I’m in that zone and I’m eating really clean if I’m not really craving something, but I’ll have a bite or something somebody will say oh, just taste this, I can taste all the crap in it and it doesn’t taste that great to me, but when I have like this ya know binge or craving then it’s like it tastes fantastic.

Tony: Right. Right. So it has a lot to do with how our food is processed and that’s why if people can move a way from processed foods and eat something that’s actual food then they can get a better grip on their cravings too.

Kinna: Poor Steve in Grand Rapids, Michigan. I’m a Type II Diabetic and a sugar freak. Why do I have something that is so? What? Why do I crave something that is so bad for me? Hm. Kind of like that boyfriend that I used to have when I was a sophomore. He was bad news. But I still loved him.

Tony: Yeah. Right. He liked to call you names. It’s kind of what we’re were just talking about in that a Type II Diabetic can’t the insulin is not pushing the glucose into the cells and letting it ya know be utilized. So a Type II Diabetic can take a quart of ice cream and the first bite is so delicious cause the body’s like sugar that’s what we need we need that. But then when the body can’t process the sugar then it’s like hey, we still need sugar so the last bite is just as delicious and he’s just as hungry as he was on the first bite.

Kinna: I’m looking at Will for a follow up. C’mon Will.

Will: I feel like we’ve yeah we’ve gone over this like why the worse off your body is at processing sugar like the higher glycemic easier access foods it wants. Like it’s not gonna crave oatmeal because it’s too slow. Cause it’s not gonna bloodstream in time. No one sits down and binges on eggs. They have like 40 eggs.

Tony: I’m gonna eat so much broccoli I’m gonna get sick.

Kinna: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Will: Unless you’re like a body builder like he doesn’t want to eat those eggs. Like he just needs to to gain weight ya know. So that’s most people listening to this are trying to lose weight and they’re fighting a battle against their current imbalances or like getting it so that their body can restore the ability to use slow burning fuels and like proteins and fats and lower glycemic carbs. And I think one strategy that we’ve talked about in the past was like what has to happen to restore insulin sensitivity is kind of like a drug addict. Like you have to get away from, I think I got this metaphor from you, it’s like you have to get away from the drug for it to even have give you the high that it used to.

Tony: Right.

Will: So like somebody who does like a bunch of cocaine like they have to use more and more and more and they’re still not even getting the high that they used to from like a little hit.

Kinna: Don’t I know it?

Will: Right. So that gets really expensive. And it’s but that’s also like with sugar, like at first like cherries used to be a treat and now it’s like they’re like the cherry on top of the sundae. It’s their only place in the diet now. Cause those sugars just need to be higher glycemic and cheaper and easier to gain, so we wanna ween them off carbs to try to restore their insulin sensitivity by limiting the amount of carbs that they eat and the types of carbs that they eat and even using the 3pm carb cut off rule that we recommend to a lot of people, if they’re not low blood pressure, then they qualify to do this thing where they try not to eat any active carbs which are sugars or starches after 3pm which gives them this long window of time like all afternoon, evening and through the night when their insulin can go down and their body can switch back into the fat burning zone and it has a really great effect on restoring their cellular receptivity to insulin.

Tony: And the whole thing to get through this whole show is understand that when you’re having these cravings it’s almost always about something that your body’s not getting and that doesn’t mean that your body needs ya know crackers it just means it needs something those crackers have…

Kinna: Or Will.

Tony: Or what?

Kinna: Or Will? Ahhhhhh! Yeah, he doesn’t get it.

Tony: Oh, I didn’t get it.

Will: Will…power.

Kinna: Ahhh.

Tony: Yeah, will power. So, it’s just that those crackers have something that can fix what you need right away, so it’s about looking at what does your body really need, what’s not working right?

Kinna: And speaking of Will, I think that was his private jet that just landed outside a little while ago, so we better start getting through these questions. Um, Stephanie, drink water, lay down and pray I fall asleep quickly so I don’t think about chocolate. Wow, there’s a recurring theme and it’s chocolate.

Tony: Yeah. It’s a big one. And you see that people are doing things that work for them, but they’re things that are you know tricks that they’ve found to trick themselves, but if they can just have their body get what it needs they won’t need to do these tricks.

Kinna: Uh huh. Janet, from Marian, North Carolina. Chicken bouillon helps when you’re craving carbs. Is that true?

Tony: I’ve never heard that before, but it makes sense because of what’s in it, right?

Will: Yeah, just the sodium the salts that can kind of pushing just like I’d heard from this one doctor that I used to listen to say whenever you’re craving sugar you’re actually craving salt, so he always had people put salt heavily in their food, and their water, and I mean, that’s not really accurate what he said, but it’s it gets that salt is a helpful tool, to help keep….

Kinna: And if you are craving salt, just eat some sugar? Cause you know, the same is true, if you have an imbalance, going this way, there is another side to it as well.

Tony: It actually would work, but it’s not, probably as good of a thing.

Kinna: Uh, Patricia, why do I sometimes crave butter, I don’t crave sweets, or any other carbs, but butter, does she just sit there with a stick of butter, and eat butter?

Tony: When I was 6 years old, I would eat a stick of butter at a time.

Kinna: Gross.

Will: Wow.

Tony: And I thought I was one of the cool kids.

Kinna: Ugh!

Will: But I think she’s….

Kinna: But butter is good for you, right?

Tony: For me, so tell us about that one.

Will: Can be, but so, I think she is just hearing like an authentic craving, her body is giving her, when you are to catabolic, you need more saturated fats, and Sterols like cholesterol and butter is a really great source of Sterols .

Kinna; I’m jealous of your imbalance. I wanna be catabolic instead of anabolic, so I can eat butter.

Tony: Just douse yourself in butter?

Kinna: Uh-huh. Ann, Water, I’m craving water. Ann…

Tony: Drink water.

Kinna: Yeah drink some water, that seems like, that seems like a no brainer right there. Unless you are like me, and you drink a lot of water and you flush everything out, and I crave water a lot, and sometimes I have to say, no, you can’t have any, you’ve already had a ton today, and you are not going to have any minerals.

Tony: Right. You do have to qualify to drink water, somebody who has low blood pressure, you don’t want them to wash out all of their minerals, but for most people, when they crave water, and they think when they have a diet coke, or some coffee, that they are drinking water, and that is not the case, you have to drink actual water.

Will: Yeah, but it can also be a solution for sometimes, for people with cravings when they’re dehydrated, and with that their blood pressure is low, and they think they want sugar, but if they just had a big glass of water, a lot of times they will be fine. Um, so, I’ve heard, I don’t know how often, some made up statistic, about like how actually 30% of the time when people are craving carbs, they are actually just dehydrated. And….

Kinna: I’ve heard that too,

Will: And like who knows if it’s that, or whatever, but it happens sometimes, you know, and maybe that’s what you need.

Tony: Yeah, it’s not worth, it’s not so bad, maybe drink a little water, and see how you feel.

Kinna: Yeah, exactly. Alright, well, boys, that is all of our questions. It was fun.

Tony: It was fun. It was a good time.

Kinna: Y’all have anything else to do, or talk about?

Tony: No, I’m with you.

Kinna: I don’t know why you are always done with me, alright, uh, so if you wanna learn more about how to look at your own chemistry, you can read any of Tony’s books, or take the Free 4 week digestion course at kickitinthenuts.com, and catch us on the next episode where we will be talking about, something, going wrong in your body. Thanks for tuning in, to kick it naturally where, it’s ok to talk about your poop.

Tony: Buh-bye

Kinna & Will: Byeeee.