Kick It Naturally – Cold Sores and Canker Sores

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T.C. Hale is not a doctor and does not claim to be a doctor, licensed in any type of medical field. Don’t be an idiot and use anything heard on this show as medical advice. This information should be used for educational purposes only and you should contact your doctor for any medical advice. Now get off me.

 

Kinna:         Welcome to Kick it Naturally. I’m Kinna McInroe and I’m here with T.C. Hale, author, producer, uhhhh man.

 

Tony:         I’m a man.

 

Kinna:         He’s a man.

 

Tony:         I’m a man.

 

Kinna:         He’s a man, he’s a man, he’s a mighty good man. And we’ve also got Will Schmidt.

 

Tony:         Man.

 

Kinna:         Yeah. He’s, he’s manly too.

 

Will:         Awe.

 

Kinna:         But he did some cooking today and he can cook as well ladies. He can cook. Today all of our listeners can get a free audio book from Audible.com. Just go to KickItInTheNuts.com/audiobook for more details.

 

Tony:         So the sponsor, I didn’t know how it was going to work but it ends up they just gave us a jet. But it says “Audible” on the jet.

 

Will:         Awe lame.

 

Tony:         I know it’s kinda lame.

 

Will:         So embarrassing.

 

Tony:         Kinda ruins the whole jet.

 

Will:         Right.

Kinna:         Yeah.

 

Tony:         But anyway.

 

Kinna:         So today we’re going to be talking about stress.

 

Tony:         Nah.

 

Kinna:         Oh we’ve already don’t that one.

 

Will:         No, no, no. You’re still stuck on that.

 

Kinna:         Let’s start over. Oh god.

 

Tony:         Why you gotta still talk about that?

 

Kinna:         I’m still. I’m stressed out. Okay, you want me to start over?

 

Tony:         No. I think you should just start over the part about “let’s talk about stress.”

 

Kinna:         So today we’re going to be talking about cold sores and canker sores and all that yummy stuff. If you’re eating now, now would be time to puke you know if we’re going to be talking about all this stuff.

 

Tony:         It’s helpful, it’s helpful to puke like that.

 

Kinna:         Yeah, exactly. So I’ve already introduced people.

 

Tony:         Me. My name is Tony.

 

Kinna:         I’ve already introduced Tony. I introduced Will.

 

Tony:         Will was a man.

 

Kinna:         We’re all here, okay. Yeah. My blood pressure is low.

 

Will:         She needs a snack.

 

Kinna:         I’m fading. Yep. I need a crepe or something. Um so what’s, what’s up? Why, how can some people get these things and how come some people are blessed like me and don’t. I’m going to knock on wood right now.

 

Tony:         Right. You should knock on a lot of things. I, I, we’re going to talk about cold sores and canker sores. And, and there can be a difference in there.

 

Kinna:         What’s the difference?

 

Tony:         The spelling of it. But the cold sores are pretty cut and dry to deal with in most cases. And we’re going to talk about what you can do to not have them show up and deal with them and stuff like that. Um canker sores we’ll get into a little more complicated stuff. But cold sores for the most case it’s, it’s herpes. That’s what it is. Hey thanks, thanks. Thanks for letting me have that thing that you had on your lip.

 

Kinna:         The gift that keeps on giving.

 

Tony:         It does keep on giving. But so basically it’s a virus and once you have the virus in your body you kinda…

 

Kinna:         You’re screwed for the rest of your life.

 

Tony:         Well you always have the virus. You were already screwed before.

 

Kinna:         Oh no. Uh uh.

 

Tony:         No?

 

Kinna:         Uh uh.

 

Tony:         Pausing for editing.

 

Kinna:         Yeah. You can also get those from kissing too.

 

Will:         Or cups sharing.

 

Tony:         Right. You can share cups or lick somebody’s toothbrush. You know whatever you gotta do to get it.

 

Kinna:         Damn. I’ve got to stop doing that.

 

Tony:         But what it is is it’s a virus. So if you understand how viruses work in the body then you can adjust your chemistry to a way to where that virus can’t flower.

 

Kinna:         And how do viruses work in the body?

 

Tony:         Well, we’ll talk about that by cracky. So, so that’s the situation is when you have a cold sore it’s that virus you know it’s like flowering. It’s like “hey I’m going to get some attention and some action, and I’m going to take over some stuff.” But if you can keep that virus from flourishing then you never get the cold sores.

 

Kinna:         So bed sores are from being in bed, cold sores are from being in the cold?

 

Tony:         Cold. Right. It’s just when you’re too cold.

 

Kinna:         Cool.

 

Tony:         No. And it’s my understanding whether this is true, who knows cause I don’t always know stuff. But it’s my understanding that you can only get the, the herpes virus from someone if they’re having an outbreak.

 

Kinna:         Oh.

 

Tony:         To where they have actual sores.

 

Kinna:         Ew.

 

Tony:         If it’s, they may have it in their body but if it’s not, if the virus is not active and there’s not a sore that you can’t catch it. Now that could be completely wrong that’s just what I’ve understood.

 

Kinna:         That could be completely wrong.

 

Tony:         Yeah.

 

Will:         Could be, yeah.

 

Kinna:         So, so just disregard everything we say.

 

Will:         “Well Tony said I couldn’t get it!”

 

Tony:         Right.

 

Kinna:         But so like I gotta ask a question. If you’re going to make out with somebody with sores all over them that’s already right there…

 

Tony:         Well you might already be drunk. I mean there’s no telling what, why, why that happens.

 

Kinna:         And you’re like “ahhh,” the next morning. “Wow I didn’t see all those sores.”

 

Tony:         I mean the person could have said, “well I just have a zit and it’s just right on my lip.” You know who tells, who knows what’s going on, why, why you got it.

Kinna:         Yeah. It’s all crusty.

 

Tony:         The main situation is, is once you have the virus there are ways to control it to where you can literally never have another cold sore again.

 

Kinna:         Cool.

 

Tony:         Right. If you, if you pay attention and you, and you act at the right time and stuff like that. Do you have anything to talk about with; you want to talk about how viruses work?

 

Will:         Well yeah sure we can talk about that. So my favorite you know scientist to reference when we talk about this stuff is Emanuel Revici who’s really…

 

Kinna:         Oh I love him.

 

Will:         He’s amazing. He’s probably…

 

Tony:         You don’t know whom he’s talking about, do you?

 

Kinna:         No. I don’t.

Tony:         Alright.

 

Will:         He’s incredible. Einstein said he had the greatest brain he’d ever seen. And that says a lot cause he had a pretty great brain.

 

Tony:         Yeah. Einstein knew some stuff.

 

Will:         He did. And um Revici like focused his whole life on trying to cure cancer and in the midst of it just discovered a lot about how stuff works in life in general. And he found that viruses really thrive in particular environments inside the cell when there isn’t much oxygen or when the tissues are deplete of calcium. So we’ll talk about ways to shift your chemistry to make sure that your tissues have calcium and also that your cells are sufficiently oxygenated so that viruses can’t really breathe.

 

Tony:         Can’t thrive so well.

 

Will:         Yeah, yeah.

 

Tony:         Right. And they can still exist but they can’t replicate, and thrive, and flower and do all the stuff that makes you have a cold sore.

 

Kinna:         Hmm. Okay.

 

Tony:         So we, we’ve talked about some of these topics before in our The Common Cold episode that we did. So we probably got into a lot more depth in that show if you want to hear that one you can find it on iTunes or Stitcher if you have an Android phone.

 

Kinna:         And if you haven’t already liked us or followed us on Facebook you need to right now. It’s, it’s imperative.

 

Tony:         Imperative.

 

Kinna:         And the first 1,000 people that do this today you’re gonna win a copy of Tony’s book.

 

Tony:         I can’t, I can’t. That’s a big number.

Kinna:         So go to Facebook at Kick it in the Nuts.

 

Tony:         Yeah. You’re going to win it on the day that Amazon is giving it away for free.

 

Kinna:         Exactly. Go to Facebook and, and follow us, whatever join Kick it in the Nuts. And we’re going to post topics there that we’re going to be doing in future shows. And you guys, you know we’ll try to answer those questions for you hopefully.

 

Tony:         Right. And Kinna what she meant was the first 1,000 people won’t receive and actual copy but they will receive a phone call from Kinna where Kinna will read the book to you over the phone.

 

Kinna:         Actually Tony will come to your house and make you a 12-course meal and have that meal with you. And then he’ll be your lifelong friend.

 

Tony:         Please nobody like us.

 

Kinna:         Actually I mean, I meant not the first 1,000 people, I meant the first person, the person that gets to 1,000 like boom, boom, boom, ding, ding, ding. You’re the 1,000^th person. That person gets it. Not all 1,000.

 

Tony:         It’s already over like 60,000 so.

 

Will:         Oh well.

 

Kinna:         No I meant today, starting today.

 

Tony:         Okay, alright. Starting now.

 

Kinna:         I was not clear.

 

Tony:         Yeah. They’re, everybody’s confused about what they’re going to win. I wonder if they’ll win anything. I think they probably won’t.

 

Kinna:         I don’t know. I could be a big liar. We’ll do a show on that, compulsive lying.

 

Tony:         Okay, good. That’ll be the next topic. So that’s one thing we want to look at. And the most important factor to understand is, is having enough calcium at the tissue level because this kind of is the trigger that allows your immune system to know that “hey there’s an invader and it’s time to attack and take care of this.” And if a person doesn’t have enough calcium it’s like the alarm never goes off and your immune system is just sitting there watching an old episode of Andy Griffith or something like that. So…

 

Kinna:         I wish Tony would start watching TV in this decade.

 

Tony:         Different shows? Then I could use references.

 

Kinna:         You ever heard of Modern Family?

 

Tony:         I like, yeah I like that. So anyways that’s a, that’s a big deal. If, if you have a cold sore you know that you don’t have enough calcium at the tissue level for your immune system to attack that particular virus at that time. So that’s what we’re going to talk about today a lot to understand how to know if you do have enough calcium. And a lot of people think “oh well I should just supplement calcium.” But that’s not always the case.

 

Will:         Yeah. We need to do things that keep calcium at the tissue level and not do things that pull calcium out of the tissues. So you could have plenty of calcium in your system and it could be in the wrong place for different reasons like sugar and vitamin D. Those are two like kinda very common culprits that will pull calcium out of the tissue level, or out of the tissues and into the bloodstream.

 

Tony:         Right.
Will:         So those mega doses of vitamin D, even like excess sun if you’re already low on minerals. Like if you’re electrolyte deficient, your blood pressure’s kinda low you’re going to be more susceptible to those calcium deficit problem. So say you go out for spring break you get a lot of sun, you drink alcohol like sugary margaritas then all of the sudden you get cold sores. You’re like “awe man.”

 

Tony:         Yeah.

 

Will:         “No one’s going to make out with me on spring break.”

 

Tony:         Right, right.

 

Will:         So you want to take steps to make sure you’re driving calcium into the tissues through things like fatty acids. Like olive oil is a great catalyst to help pull calcium into the tissue as well as some other like amino acids like L-lysine. And also making sure that you are getting enough calcium in your diet through different like very available ones. Like calcium lactate is a typically pretty absorbable source.

 

Tony:         Right. And, and also you can even look at your blood pressure and if it’s low that’s a good indication that minerals are already low. So maybe that is an appropriate time where you could use a little more calcium. But if your blood pressure is high then adding more calcium could be a problem. And for you it’s probably more a situation of moving the calcium to the right place.

 

Kinna:         Interesting.

 

Tony:         So we’ll talk about some tests you can run on yourself at home that can give you some indications of what’s going on.

 

Kinna:         I run a test on me quite often, it’s called a pregnancy test.

 

Tony:         That’s a different kind of test. We probably won’t use that. But that and cold sores do come hand in hand sometimes.

 

Will:         Yeah, right.

 

Kinna:         Oh cool. Awesome. Are we ready for questions?

 

Tony:         Sure. We’ll take one.

 

Kinna:         Hey y’all. Y’all ready for questions? Shoot, let’s get it going. Kolette from Malibu, California, “cold sores seem to come on after major sugar splurges. Any correlations there?”

 

Tony:         Yes. So Will just talked about that a little.

Will:         Yeah. A little spring break action.

 

Tony:         Right.
Will:         All that stuff. The sugars, starches as well. Not just sugary stuff that will pull the calcium out of the tissue levels. It will also push you to be more anabolic. So when you want to look at a couple different markers of like on your binge like did you push yourself to be anabolic? You can look at things like your urine pH, if it’s higher than it should be that’s an anabolic trait. If you get fancy and you want to use the urine dipstick test that we recommend you can look at the specific gravity of your urine. And if it’s kinda low that’s also a good indicator that you’re too anabolic.

 

Tony:         Sure. And the reason that this sugar, or the carbs, or the alcohol even are a problem with the calcium is that the calcium likes to follow that sugar. So that calcium with leave the tissues where we want it to be and it will follow the sugar. And, and wouldn’t you follow the sugar?

 

Kinna:         I’d always follow sugar anywhere; to the end of the Earth.

 

Tony:         Right, right.

 

Will:         That goes for green juices too. Like sometimes people think “oh they’re just awesome healthy and like yeah there’s all these electrolytes in it.” And there are. But it’s still liquid sugar to your cells.

 

Tony:         Right. And when it’s liquid sugar it’s even worse. And that’s why drinking a lot of times can cause that problem.

 

Kinna:         I don’t want to hear this. Batter, batter, batter, batter, swing, swing, batter, batter.

 

Tony:         So when we talk about looking at your urine pH we, we teach people how to test their urine pH in our free four-week Digestion Course or in any of my books.

 

Kinna:         KickItInTheNuts.com. You know I have a fancy website too.

 

Tony:         You do? But you don’t teach people how to pee on stuff?

 

Kinna:         No, I don’t.

 

Will:         No. She totally does. Just not the same.

 

Kinna:         Oh yeah. Okay.

 

Tony:         Anyway. So when, when you learn how to look at your urine pH, if it’s over 6.5 that’s a good indication that calcium may be higher in the blood stream but that’s not where you want it to be. You want to be able to push more down to the tissues. So you could take steps like using more olive oil or supplements like lysine, or maybe some fatty acids. And then you could check your pH again later and see did it go down. And that can be a good indication that you’ve pushed some calcium down to the right place.

 

Kinna:         Ahhh push it.

 

Tony:         Push it good.

 

Kinna:         Ahhh push it. I wish we had like you know music.

 

Tony:         A DJ?

 

Kinna:         Yeah, a DJ.

 

Tony:         Yeah, up in here.

 

Kinna:         Yeah, that’d be awesome.

 

Will:         Yeah.

 

Kinna:         Okay Michelle, “some random questions; why do canker sores always seem to come in groups? Are they like caused by a virus or from eating the wrong food? Is it true that I should throw away my toothbrush and gargle with sea salt?

 

Tony:         I like Michelle.

 

Kinna:         Michelle is cool.

 

Tony:         Yeah. When you look, that’s where canker sores can be a little more confusing because they can have multiple causes. But I do see a lot of canker sore clients that if they take the same steps that you would use for cold sores. And just make sure that there is enough calcium at the tissue level then all the sudden those canker sores don’t show up as much and it helps it a lot. And you can, especially by looking at your urine pH. If it goes high then that can be an indication hey a canker sore may be coming on, I should take steps now to lower it. And even if you just lower it with ascorbic acid which is a cheap form of vitamin C that can help keep the canker sores from coming on.

 

Will:         MSM is also is another easy one.

 

Tony:         Sure. MSM is a pro-catabolic sulfur based mineral so it can lower urine pH as well. Lysine seems to be the most effective thing. And people, you’ll, you’ll read a lot about people using lysine on a, for cold sores. But it’s because it helps push calcium back down to the tissue level. And that’s why it’s working.

 

Kinna:         Which brings us to Lizzzzzzza! “Does taking lysine regularly keep cold sores from appearing?” I don’t know. I just thought that was like Liza Minnelli.

 

Tony:         Seems like what she would do.

 

Kinna:         Yeah.

 

Tony:         That’s okay.

 

Will:         Well…I mean you know people may be frustrated where they’re like oh they’re taking lysine, its really common sort of approach. Like at Whole Foods it’s like cold sore medication is just there. So they may already be doing that. And if you’re already on lysine and you’re still having issues it’s because like you’re not doing enough to shift your body chemistry to really like keep calcium at the tissue level and push yourself into a more catabolic state or a balance between the catabolic/anabolic state. So you want to look at the other factors that can push you to be too anabolic like over consumption of carbs. Too many saturated fats can also push you that direction. And, and also like the vitamin D thing we talked about.

 

Tony:         Right. Yeah, vitamin D can be a big player there too. And we do have another episode; it’s all about vitamin D if you want to hear more about that. But another thing about you don’t just want to take all kinds of lysine because you could end up pushing yourself too catabolic and creating and imbalance in the other direction and other issues that can go with that. So it’s more about balance. But what’s fun is that you can cheat. And you can look at your pH even if it’s just you know once a week and kinda just stay tuned in to what’s going on. And that can let you know what steps you should take and if you should be taking more or less.

 

Kinna:         I’m starting to get the picture that like every person is different.

 

Tony:         It’s weird, right?

 

Will:         Wow, Kinna you should write a book.

 

Kinna:         Like we’re all snowflakes. And just because somebody gets canker sores for this reason somebody else might get them from the next. And this may work for someone and not, oh my gosh!

 

Will:         Wow, Kinna. You should start a blog.

 

Kinna:         This is like rocking my world. I know. I’m going to start one.

 

Will:         I would follow.

 

Tony:         Right. So if your canker sores are caused by a virus then it’s a virus that’s in your system. And it’s just flowering because the opportunity is there. So you might not need to run from your toothbrush at that point if it’s already in your system. I don’t, I don’t know the rules on that. Do you have rules on that, Will?

 

Kinna:         You’d go through a lot of toothbrushes.

 

Tony:         I know.

 

Will:            I mean, I know…

Tony:          Or just not brush your teeth.

 

Kinna:         Yeah.

 

Will:         Like I, like the rules I follow like since I learned all this stuff like teaching me in the course that we went through. I haven’t been sick in three years. And I used to, when I was a kid I used to get canker sores. I used to get like planters warts, like warts on your feet. And they’re, they’ve all completely disappeared. Even if I’m like I’m surrounded with people with colds or whatever else because I take steps to like keep myself in this healthy balanced swing between the catabolic state in the AM and anabolic at night. So I would recommend like if you start to feel like or see symptoms or you start to feel like a cold or flu know that you’re also susceptible again to like viral outbreaks in general.

 

Tony:         Right.

 

Will:         So take steps to push yourself to be more catabolic and to drive calcium to the tissue level. So emphasize fatty acids, de-emphasize saturated fats, de-emphasize carbohydrates, de-emphasize vitamin D and all the other things that can push your urine pH up.

 

Tony:         Right.

 

Kinna:         I have two roommate, my last two roommates have cold sores, get cold sores and they can feel it. Like they said they can feeling them coming up. So the moment you can feel it then you just start doing immediately what you know to do, or what you figured out to do. That’s a doctor talking right there.

 

Tony:         Yeah. Not really.

 

Kinna:         Not really. Okay John from Green, Ohio, “I’ll get a swollen taste bud from too much acid fruits, tomatoes etcetera and the mouths sores when my body is out of balance. I’ve gotten them ever since I was a kid.” That started to sound like Jimmy Stewart a little.

 

Tony:         But only a little.

 

Kinna:         Yeah.

 

Will:         It started to sound like his tongue was swollen.

 

Tony:         Yeah I used to get those when I was a kid too when I would take too much vitamin C. So it can be an over acidic situation where I don’t know that the body’s just trying to push out acids through that pore or not. But there was a trick that if your sore is created by this that you can take baking soda and stick it right like just get a little bit of water and kinda stick it on there and let it sit there. And it really stings because it’s an over alkaline thing meeting with an over acidic tissue. But it kinda balances it out and then it goes away really quickly. So but you can see that that’s a totally different cause for a canker sore or mouth sore than what we were talking about before.

 

Kinna:         Dave, “I get cold sores when I’m sweating in the summer with dusty conditions. I clean with peroxide and wash with ivory soap 99.44% pure every couple of hours that I can. Been doing that for a couple of decades and has worked awesome.” I bet he has a high water bill. He takes showers every couple of hours?

 

Will:         Wow.

 

Tony:         I think he’s just washing his face.

 

Kinna:         Skin off. Maybe he has no skin to get sores anymore.

 

Tony:         I don’t, I don’t know. You know this is the kinda thing that happens is that people find something that just works for them for one reason or another. And then so they might tell their friend about it and they try it and it does nothing because it could be a different situation. I don’t even know why that would help him.

 

Will:         Well a guess could be like one, the summer could be triggering that whole excess vitamin D situation which could make the tissues more susceptible to calcium loss which would make him have cold sores.

 

Tony:         Right.

 

Will:         And then the peroxide, it’s a highly oxidizing agent which is the opposite of an anabolic state where there’s under oxidation inside the cells. So that would push you to be more catabolic. He could like without having to like take a bunch of showers he could just take steps to improve his cell membrane permeability. Like drive himself to be a little more catabolic and he might not need to pour all this oxidation in there.

 

Tony:         I can hear Dave yelling at us now “I didn’t say I shower you idiots; I just wash my face! Now get off me!”

 

Will:         Yeah. Yeah, that’s true.

 

Kinna:         Oh, oh, oh. That’s true. I put words in Dave’s mouth.

 

Tony:         That’s okay. But you know one thing that’s good to understand is that there are topical things that you can do for a cold sore. Like they do have the topical lysine type of thing where you’re putting that right into the tissue so that it can help push minerals into the right place. So peroxide could be working that way as well. But if Dave was able to systemically move calcium to the right place he may not need to take this step multiple times everyday. And that might be some relief to him.

 

Kinna:         He’s got the cleanest face around ‘ol Dave. Good for you. Jordan from Glasgow, United Kingdom, “Can I get a cold sore if I’m living on the moon?” I don’t know.

 

Will:         What?

 

Tony:         That’s, I’m not sure why you asked that.

 

Kinna:         Those United Kingdom people are hilarious. No, I love the UK. They’re my people from way back.

 

Tony:         They’re your peeps. Right. That’s why you have red hair? I don’t know why that would be associated.

 

Kinna:         Cause of Scotland and Ireland.

 

Tony:         But the answer to this question is, is I don’t know.

 

Kinna:         It’s in the UK. The United Kingdom.

 

Tony:         No. No. I’m talking about the moon.

 

Kinna:         Oh, oh, oh. I thought you were, okay, never mind. Go ahead, carry on.

 

Tony:         Moon! That’s all I got. Yeah, so he’s probably not going to the moon so don’t worry about it.

 

Kinna:         Okay.

 

Tony:         You’re golden. Yes, on the moon you have no cold sores no matter what. That’s the rule.

 

Kinna:         So get to the moon as quick as you can. Go to the moon!

 

Tony:         “Tony said that’s the rule.”

 

Kinna:         Alright Elizabeth, “my doctor swears I get canker sores because my body is trying to fight off an illness. But if that’s the case I must be constantly be fighting off a bug. How can I prevent canker sores?”

 

Tony:         So she’s kinda confirming what we’re saying because when your body’s in that state where the immune system can’t respond correctly it may be fighting off all kinds of things. Not necessarily fighting off but it’s kinda like the bugs are kinda starting to have their way, setting up keg parties and all that good stuff.

 

Will:         Yeah. I wouldn’t, I wouldn’t look at it like a fever. Like something your body does on purpose to detox. It’s more like “oh yeah, the virus is kinda winning.” They’re breaking down the tissue and we want to reverse that. So yeah, your body is fighting and losing at the moment.

 

Tony:         Right. But it’s, it’s, if you can push calcium down to the levels so that it can you know, and also vitamin C can be important here too. And we go over that a lot in our immunity and common cold episode. But you know the, the calcium has to be in the tissues to trigger the immune system to attack. But vitamin C is kinda like the bullets in the gun that the body uses to kill viruses and keep them in check and all that kind of stuff. So it can be important to make sure because humans don’t make vitamin C. We’re like the only, us and guinea pigs and primates I think are the only people, the only beasts that don’t make their own. We have to get it from our food, and our food sucks so that can be an important step too to help to make sure you’re getting some whole vitamin C.

 

Will:         Which is different from the ascorbic acid. Like we talked about how ascorbic acid can help lower your urine pH and make you more catabolic. But at the tissue level we need that whole food form source of vitamin C. Cause it’s essential also just for like the tissue itself which is why you get scurvy if you don’t have it for too long. Tissues start to fall apart.

 

Tony:         Right.

 

Kinna:         And you wouldn’t want to get like just drink a gallon of orange juice for vitamin C because that would be a ton of sugar.

 

Tony:         Right. It would be sugar. And, and then a lot of the orange juice that we see today doesn’t have a lot of great quality vitamin C. A lot of it is you know fractionated C like ascorbic acid or something that they’re just adding to it so they can say it has vitamin C. It’s really better from actual food or like a whole food source supplement of vitamin C.

 

Will:         Like camu camu’s a good one. You can usually get that at like Whole Foods. Or acerola cherry which we’re going to put in our protein powder coming out soon.

 

Tony:         Right.

 

Will:         Both of those, whether it’s like a teaspoon a couple of times a day or something would be more than enough. But another thing I’ve noticed and I don’t know if you’ve seen this too Tony is when people’s urine pH’s are way out of range I often times will also see that they’re systemically a little short on vitamin C. And I don’t know if it’s because they’re not as good at picking it up or if it’s because the anabolic issue is doing something with their depleting vitamin C but…

 

Tony:         There is an issue where the body can’t hold onto to it at the cellular level; there’s too much falling apart that can be going on, or it’s another thing of where it doesn’t have enough so more things are falling apart. But that can be, we’ll talk about that later; that’s a little complicated. The show could go on for an hour or so.

 

Kinna:         Alright Amber from Claire, Michigan, “my mom told me that the day you get that itchy sore feeling of an oncoming cold sore to hold an ice cube on it for 15 minutes, it’s supposed to kill it. It seems to work.”

 

Tony:         That’s another thing and I have heard from other people that get cold sores that they kinda know. I used to, I used to live with a girl that would get them and she would know when they were coming on and I’d just be like “you’re on the other side of the room.”

 

Kinna:         And when you’d tick her off she’d use your toothbrush.

 

Tony:         So if you can take steps ahead of time you know it is nice to give you a kind of warning. And it’s also nice that you have this kinda warning of “hey, immunity is not working well right now, take some steps to fix some stuff.” Do you know why the ice cube thing would do anything?

 

Will:         Well I know Revici did a lot of experiments when he was analyzing the anabolic/catabolic state and how it was affected at different temperatures and found that you do shift not only the pH’s but also the anabolic and catabolic markers in higher or lower temperatures.

 

Tony:         That’s interesting.

 

Will:         Yeah. It’s gets really complicated. But in that you could see why also that could play a part in why temperature would matter, why some might trigger it more and why cold could possibly push you to be more catabolic. I forget the nuances of all the different experiments that he did but I would suspect that the ice cube solution helped that individual because of that.

 

Tony:         Right. But I like it when people find just freaky little remedies that actually can make some sense.

 

Kinna:         Yeah. I’d heard that one about the ice cube before too but I didn’t know why. I just thought because it was a cold sore it liked cold.

 

Tony:         It likes cold? Right.

 

Kinna:         Liza’s back; “Good timing. I’ve got a cold sore right now. This one seems to have been brought on by chapped lips.” I don’t know. I just feel like that’s Liza Minnelli.

 

Will:         Yeah. I don’t know if it was the chapped lips or…

 

Tony:         But if she was out in the sun and that’s what caused the chapped lips then that certainly could have been an issue of vitamin D pulling calcium out of the tissues.

 

Will:         Yeah. Whatever else she’s done to like damage it whether it’s like heat or sunburn.

 

Tony:         Right. And another issue, sometimes chapped lips especially if it’s chronic can be an issue of mineral deficiencies you know like B vitamin kind of stuff. So if you’re low on minerals then you may not have enough resources for calcium to be at the tissue level like it should be. So that’s a thought.

 

Kinna:         Or just check out who you’ve been kissing, Liza. Make sure that they’re clean. Alright.

 

Tony:         Dave washes his face every few minutes. Dave would be worth kissing.

 

Kinna:         Yeah, Dave’s clean. Dave and Liza, hook up.

 

Will:         Love match.

 

Tony:         We’re matchmakers!

 

Kinna:         Alright Carrie from Nashville, Tennessee, “anyone had luck with using grapefruit seed extract? How do you use it and what results do you get? I tried it both as a supplement, 5 drops in my beverage, several beverages each day; and topically, dilute one drop with about a half a teaspoon of water and apply directly to the site of the sore.” Now what is she using for beverages because if you’re putting five drops in vodka or a martini…

 

Tony:         Yeah. That’s not going to help. I don’t know about, a lot of people call it GSE. All the cool kids call the Grapefruit Seed Extract, GSE.

 

Kinna:         I’m going to post that and see how many cool kids answer.

 

Tony:         Well I’m a cool kid, right? But my understanding is, I use GSE for some people and it can be really effective especially for fungal issues. But I don’t know how it works for viral issues. I’ve never tried that with any type of viral issue so I don’t know how effective that would be. Have you ever heard?

 

Will:          I mean I used to use it back in the days when all I knew was about alkalizing and stuff. I haven’t really experimented with it or studied it much so.

 

Tony:         Right. My understanding is that it’s great with antifungal antibacterial but I don’t know how it is at viral stuff so I’m not sure.

 

Kinna:         Okay. So Carrie we can’t help you.

 

Tony:         Thanks for coming out.

 

Kinna:         Sorry. Anthony, “you get them based on your diet. Stay away from foods that contain arginine and consume…”

 

Tony:         Arginine.

 

Will:         Arginine.

 

Kinna:         Arginine, I knew that! I know that! “…and consume more foods with lysine.” There, there’s that one again. “Your body does not build enough of the lysine amino acid and it must be supplemented with foods high in lysine or pills. Research is pretty accurate. I have had less cold sores in my life since I have avoided certain foods. Stay away from nuts and pork. Good luck guys.”

 

Tony:         Thanks for the pep talk. I like that. We usually don’t get pep talks from people when they ask questions.

 

Kinna:         Yeah, yeah. All we usually get is hate mail.

 

Tony:         So that’s an important factor though. You know Will was talking about how lysine can help push calcium back to the tissue levels. But arginine is, it’s a supplement that’s used a lot to lower blood pressure drastically.

 

Kinna:         And it came from Argentina?

 

Tony:         No it didn’t. But that was, that was good input. But it can pull calcium out of the tissue level and it can do other things to push somebody more anabolic. And when somebody’s using arginine they’ll tell them it can, it can trigger cold sores. And that’s why that happens. So what Anthony is saying is pretty on track. You know if you could find foods or supplements that’ll raise your lysine level that can help. And if you’re using arginine or eating too many foods high in that particular amino acid that could be a problem.

 

Kinna:         What about the nuts and the pork? I know you don’t like pork as it is pretty much but…

 

Tony:         Maybe he just hates nuts.

 

Kinna:         Then he won’t like your book.

 

Tony:         No.

 

Kinna:         Kick it in the Nuts.

 

Tony:         Oops.

 

Kinna:         Oops.

 

Tony:         Right. So overall when we’re looking at both of these issues the most important thing is, is understanding that you want your body to be in a place where the immune system can function. You want the cellular level to have oxygen so that these viruses can’t thrive. And you can use ways to monitor your own physiology to see okay, do I need to take steps before a cold sore comes on so you don’t have to wait until you got a big sign on your face. Did we learn anything else?

 

Will:         Yeah. I mean the main things you can track like we said before just to reiterate is your urine pH. If it’s over 6.5 that’s a good chance you’re too anabolic. If your blood pressures low like 113/73 you’re probably a little mineral deplete so you’re more prone to not have enough calcium at the tissue levels. And if you’re doing stuff that on accident pulls calcium out of the tissues that’s going to be another thing that makes you more susceptible. Like anything that will make you more anabolic like saturated fats, animal fats, even coconut oil is kinda that.

 

Tony:         And a big one is tomatoes. Tomatoes can be really effective at pulling calcium out of the tissue level as well, as well as all the sugars, carbs, alcohol.

 

Will:         Right. So you want to take steps to actively push you body to be a little bit more catabolic if you have any sort of outbreak. And take steps to make sure you’re keeping calcium at the tissue levels.

 

Tony:         Yeah.

 

Kinna:         Alright, alright.

 

Tony:         No more cold sores. Way to go. Good job.

 

Kinna:         No more cold sores. They’re all gone. Goodbye to cold sores. You should write a book. Kick You Cold Sores in the Nuts.

 

Tony:         Okay. I’ll have it out tomorrow.

 

Kinna:         Alright. If you want to learn more about how to look at your own chemistry you can read any of Tony’s books or take the free four week Digestion Course at KickItInTheNuts.com.

 

Tony:         And Will, where can we find your blog?

 

Will:         You can check it out at MyBodyOfKnowlege.net.

 

Tony:         I’ll do that.

 

Will:         Thanks.

 

Kinna:         I’m going to check you your body…of knowledge.net. Ahhh! Okay we’ll see ya next time, everybody.

 

Tony:         Bye now!

 

Kinna:         Bye!

 

Will:   Bye!