Kick it Naturally – Understanding Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

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T.C. Hale is not a doctor and does not claim to be a doctor, licensed in any type of medical field. Don’t be an idiot and use anything heard on this show as medical advice. This information should be used for educational purposes only and you should contact your doctor for any medical advice. Now get off me.

Kinna: Welcome to kick it naturally I’m Kinna McInroe and I’m here with T.C. Hale, author, natural health expert, producer and smarty pants.

Tony: My pants are smart.

Kinna: Uh huh. This is true. T.C. was a touring comic, he wasn’t really that funny, but he did tour around. He lost his voice for 8 years and 23 doctors couldn’t help him.

Tony: Oops!

Kinna: Yeah, so he went a little psycho researching nutrition and how the body works and now he teaches what he learned in books, movies and radio shows.

Tony: Oops.

Kinna: He won’t shut up about it.

Tony: Oops. Oops.

Kinna: Yeah. Oops.

Tony: Oops.

Kinna: That’s all he knows how to say.

Will: He just likes using his voice cause he worked so hard to get it back.

Kinna: He likes to say that.

Tony: Right, right. I got stuff to say now. I’m chatty.

Kinna: Yeah, it’s all those years of not speaking. And that other voice you hear over there that is Will, hottie patoty, Schmidt.

Will: Hi.

Kinna: Will burned himself in a sauna.

Will: Awwww.

Tony: That’s a sad story.

Kinna: Will, if you need me to put ointment on you, I will.

Will: O.k.

Tony: You can get all ointmented.

Will: Thanks!

Kinna: Uh huh, so, if you have not liked us on Facebook then you are in trouble.

Tony: Yeah, why don’t you like us? You haven’t liked us? Will you like us?

Kinna: Yeah, exactly. Where’s the love? Why are we doing this if you don’t like us? So, just pull over, stop whatever you’re doing and go ahead and like us at kickitinthenuts and we’re gonna post topics there every single week on future shows that we’ll be doing and you guys can post any questions that you want us to cover.

Tony: And we usually do that Sunday night. Like Sunday night we’ll put up, hey this is what the next show’s gonna be about what do you wanna ask?

Kinna: Exactly.

Tony: And then you can just ask questions.

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Tony: It is cool. I should probably get one of the Grey books. The porn thing? Shades of Grey?

Kinna: Oh yeah.

Will: We should read an excerpt on each show.

Tony: Yeah, we’ll do that on the show next week. Tune in.

Kinna: Alright, so today we’re talking about chronic fatigue and boy, am I’m tired today. I don’t know about you?

Will: Yeah, I’m too tired. Lets go.

Kinna: Just talking about it is making me sleepy.

Tony: We should do a nap.

Kinna: Lets do. Lets do. Lets do a group nap.

Tony: Naps are awesome. I like naps and coloring. When I was in kindergarten, when it was appropriate to do those things I was so pissed anytime I had to do those things.

Kinna: Now, if I could just go back and take those naps.

Tony: Right, both of those things are like so awesome now. When was the last time you colored?

Kinna: Uh, years.

Tony: You should do it. You should do it. Just grab some kids little book, he’ll cry for a minute, but when your pictures are a lot prettier than his he’ll understand. Oh, I should let you color.

Will: That’s a wasted crayon on him.

Kinna: If they are.

Tony: Right, right, but it’s very calming. It’s like a sauna where you don’t get burned.

Kinna: Okay.

Will: I love those.

Tony: So, with chronic fatigue, this is kind of, it’s really like all the cool kids have chronic fatigue now. It’s a very popular….

Kinna: It gets you out of things.

Tony: Does it?

Kinna: I’m tired. I’ve got chronic fatigue.

Tony: You can use it like as a note for gym class and stuff like that?

Kinna: Uh huh. I’ll start using that at the gym with you.

Tony: I can’t even imagine what it would’ve been like to be in high school when there are so many, such a wide assortment of diseases that you can use for excuses. I don’t even know how that goes now.

Will: It gets better every year, I think.

Tony: Yeah, they add more new ones.

Kinna: Yeah, the list. It’s like what am I gonna do now? Oh, we added three new diseases, yay!

Tony: Good, I can get out of volleyball today. But, so here’s one thing to understand is in this show today, we’re going to slap some knowledge on ya, we don’t have a whole lot of it, but there is going to be a little bit that comes out.

Kinna: We’re gonna slap some body of knowledge on ya! Aw…. See what I did there?

Tony: Facebook page plug. Will Schmidt, my body of knowledge. Go there. There is neat stuff to learn, but you’re not gonna find a remedy, we’re not gonna tell you about some natural remedy for chronic fatigue syndrome. It’s not gonna happen because there really isn’t one.

Kinna: I just heard everyone turn off their radio.

Tony: But the reason is because there are so many different causes for chronic fatigue syndrome. And that’s whey they have such a hard time pin pointing what the problem is and it kind of turns out to where the diagnosis is just kind of this, I don’t know why you’re tired, so lets call it this. And so there’s a lot of confusion about it, but we’re gonna talk about some of the most common underlying causes today and explain why it can come about and then you’ll get to look at yourself to figure out if those apply to you or not. But here’s a good way to look at it. Think about this, think about that if you didn’t eat any food whatsoever for like 3 days…

Will: I did that once.

Tony: Did you?

Will: I slept all day.

Tony: Right, yeah, so how does that go for you when you don’t eat any food? You’re usually you’re kind of tired.

Will: Uh huh.

Tony: So, here’s our advice: is just eat some food.

Will: Right? Done!

Tony: Wouldn’t that be horrible if that was it, just do the closing now? But think about this if you’re tired when you don’t eat any food, how are you, it’s not eating food that gives you energy, that’s not the thing, eating food doesn’t do anything for you, it’s what your body does with that food once you eat it that gives your body the fuel it needs to be energized and function and all those kinds of things. So if you’re eating food, but lets say your body can’t process the types of food that you’re eating or you can’t break down those foods into nutrients your body can use. There are a lot of different things that can be going on, but if you understand that your body needs nutrients for you to function and to have energy and to do all those things. Then you can see that if there’s an issue there for you, it can be kind of like you haven’t eaten anything in 3 days. So when that’s the case you’re kind of tired all the time.

Kinna: And then what if you get tired after you eat?

Tony: That’s a good one. And that’s what a lot of people will look at. Is they’ll look at, you know, I ate an hour ago and I’m tired like every 4 hours in the day. And they don’t look at the fact that it’s because you just ate, your body’s using all the resources it has to try to break down that food or there could be other issues where it’s a sugar handling issue.

Where if you’re eating a lot of carbs and sugars and you’re insulin is a little more powerful you can drop your sugars too low and then you crash. So there are a lot of reasons, but people look at it like, man, it seems like every 4 hours I’m totally wiped out, like I’m fatigued chronically. I must have chronic fatigue syndrome.

Kinna: Uh huh.

Tony: So Will, why don’t you talk a little bit about some different ways that maybe a person would not have fuel, even if they were eating and they weren’t starving themselves.

Will: Yeah. So if their digestion isn’t working and they’re not getting any energy from that food, then their body’s experiencing their food as a toxin or as an invader that its just trying to deal with. So that will zap your energy just like any other toxin or invader like when you’re tired when you have a cold or something like that.

Tony: Sure.

Will: But then there’s also different issues with body chemistry imbalances. Which are more prone towards being tired all the time. Like if you’re low blood pressure or electrolyte deficient as we say. If you’re stuck in either the anabolic or catabolic state that will make you feel kind of low energy and “off” all the time and not able to sleep in regular cycles. If your carbohydrate metabolism is off, whether you’re a slow or fast oxidizer, either one of those will screw with the amount of ATP your body is making and the energy that you’re producing. And if you’re too alkaline that can also make you not able to oxidize sugars at a good rate. It can make you very anxious, but also kind of spacey and feel like your brain isn’t really “on”.

Tony: Right, and let’s look at a couple of these one by one and kind of break ‘em down especially for people who have not heard our show or read any of our books or anything. So, when we talk about imbalances like an anabolic or a catabolic imbalance we’re talking about it at the cellular level. During the day our cells should be open and so that we can create energy and then at night they kind of close more so that we can rebuild. But, let’s talk a little bit about the over alkaline situation and how oxygen can get stuck and not be able to get down to the tissue level where it needs to be to create, so we can have energy.

Will: Yeah. Sure, so when you’re in alkalosis, your blood, the blood pH level, when that is a little higher than it should be, the blood cells do a really really extra good job at picking up oxygen when they go through the lungs, but they don’t ever let go of it until those little blood cells bump into carbon dioxide, CO2. Once they do, that CO2 pulls the oxygen off of the blood cell or out of the blood cell and helps usher it into the tissue where oxidation can occur. And we think, oh, oxidation’s bad. Don’t we want anti-oxidants and all those things?

Tony: Right.

Will: But it’s much more helpful to think of oxidation like when your engine is on in your car. You’re burning fuel like that’s what you want when you’re trying to go.

Tony: And there’s a lot of people who have excess oxidation and that’s the bad thing with people trying to say you need more anti-oxidants, but not everybody needs that, but we do all need some form of oxidation in order to function and not be a blob on the floor.

Will: Yeah, or else your cars isn’t gonna go anywhere, cells aren’t gonna make any energy, so and that can also make you really anxious when that happens. So that catabolic state is that one where there’s disaerobia and extra oxidation occurring and that can be damaging and age you prematurely and also just like make you feel kind of exhausted like a candle burning at both ends all the time. Where the anabolic state where there’s under oxidation occurring, it’s like a candle that’s not burning at either end. And neither one is really great. And you can see that when people are on like, have you ever seen anyone that’s done anabolic steroids? Like bodybuilders for a long time and they haven’t done it with really good guidance. They’re like never awake. They’re like huge, but they’re just like puffy eyed and like so sleepy.

Tony: Is it because they don’t have a neck anymore?

Will: Yeah, they just can’t lay down. But no, they’re in this always resting state which can also feel like you’re always tired or sleepy, you know?

Tony: Right, and when we talk about these different states, both states are appropriate. When the body is in a catabolic state during the day, it’s supposed to be like that. It’s supposed to be in an anabolic state at night, but problems come with creating energy when we get stuck in one state or another. And it’s very common. People can get stuck for many different reasons, but in our free digestion course on kickitinthenuts.com, we teach you how to run really simple tests you can look at it at home. Where you’re just looking at like blood pressure, and the rate at which you breathe, and like urine/saliva pH and these things can kind of give you a picture of how your body is operating. So instead of you saying, I’m just frigging tired. You can look at why are you tired. What could be going on that is creating situations where your body cannot create the energy from the food that you’re eating.

Kinna: Why do babies and old people sleep all the time?

Tony: It’s that thing where you’re allowed. Like you’re supposed to have naptime. And then we just blow it off like it’s nothing and then we have to wait until we’re 80 till it’s cool to have naptime again.

Will: I love naps.

Kinna: Yeah, naps are cool.

Will: But another one we can look at, let’s look at for example people with blood sugar handling issues, and the slow oxidizers, and even the regular diabetic’s profile, which we pretty much always see, and I’ve never seen an exception to this, always turns out to be catabolic, and a slow oxidizer.

Tony: It really seems like it does.

Will: Pretty much, and I’m, not going to say that’s for everyone, forever.

Tony: And we are talking type two diabetics.

Will: Yeah, not type one. So, when people in that state, are insulin resistant, they are not good at burning carbohydrates for energy, and they are not necessarily good at burning fats, or proteins either, both sides of their digestion could be off, but they’re not getting the stream of glucose to their brain or their cells that they need. So, a lot of times, what they will do, is try to eat really high glycemic, or very quickly try to process sugars, to try and give themselves a boost, like a little sweet after their meal or something like that, that they can tap into really quickly. Another thing that people will do, is a lot of times, they will feel really gross, and heavy when they are eating all of these proteins, and fats that they are not good at breaking down, so they will do something like a juice cleanse, and they will feel like tons, and tons of energy, during this juice cleanse, usually on a roller coaster level, like sometimes they will be total nutso spacey, falling over, then they will be crazy manic hyper, some people are a bit better at like balancing, and feeling super high all the time, on a juice cleanse, but, it’s really important to know, it’s a very temporary thing and also, slightly damaging thing to do, even if it’s like a green juice cleanse, because, you are ruining your insulin response. Like the longer you go on a juice fast, the more and more your cells are becoming accustomed to being barraged by liquid sugars, the more insulin resistant that they become, so when you go back to eating solid foods and stuff, even though you feel like you may have fixed your chronic fatigue by going on this juice cleanse when you go back to eating proteins and fats, which you need to do, because your body needs them, you feel even worse, because your digestion system, is even weaker, and your insulin response is even worse. I’m not really a big fan of those. (kinna start 1/6/15. Started transcribing @ 1:38PST)

Tony: Right, right, but it does explain why people feel better and also if their digestion can’t break down food, but they’re putting all their food in this blender and liquefying it, well they just digested that food so now they can access some of those nutrients better. But there are better ways to do it. Um, another thing while we’re on the sugar topic is you might say, well I’m not a type 2 diabetic, but if a type 2 diabetic is having a very difficult time processing carbohydrates at all then you can see that the way that we process carbs as humans varies greatly from person to person. So even if you’re not type 2 diabetic you still may not be having a great insulin response to the carbs that you’re eating, so you may not be processing carbs that well or your insulin could be so strong that when you eat carbs, you rip through them in like 10 minutes and then your sugar just crashed and now you have no fuel left anymore. So there are a lot of variations that can cause a person to either not be able to access the fuel their eating or rip through it too quickly and all of the sudden they have none and their like ah, I’m tired again. Everyday at 3:00! I’m chronically fatigued. I must have chronic fatigue syndrome.

Kinna: Why is sugar always the bad guy?

Tony: It’s not always the bad guy. We don’t always have to punch sugar in the face, but we have to understand, especially the way we eat sugar now, in that you can’t…

Kinna: You mean with a spoon out of a pouch?

Will: I just had a flashback to those fun dip things.

Tony: Uh huh.

Kinna: I loved those.

Tony: Those are good times, but like you can’t, today, you can’t even buy a lampshade that’s not crammed with sugar. I mean it’s just in everything and it’s in a form that’s not natural to the body and so it doesn’t include all the minerals that our body needs to process it, so we have a harder time processing it, so then what the body does is it calls on more insulin to process that sugar and as insulin goes higher and higher then the body’s like screw you, I’m not listening to you anymore insulin and then we become resistant and then abracadabra we’re type 2 diabetic. So, it’s not that the sugar is evil. It’s just the way that we consume it. It’s just dumb. It’s just not good.

Kinna: Mmm….

Tony: I know it’s sad times, but it does explain how chronic fatigue can have so many different levels and options like you know some people are just tired all the time. Some people are just chronically tired, you know, at different points in the day.

Kinna: Some people just wear me out.

Tony: Right.

Will: Right.

Tony: Why are you looking at me?

Will: We can also just point back to the episode we did on insomnia about that can be, in itself, just keeping you stuck in chronic fatigue. Even if there’s other things that we address in this podcast that don’t seem to match you might want to listen to that as well if you’re having trouble sleeping cause you’re never gonna be energized if you can’t sleep.

Tony: Right and if you have been diagnosed with chronic fatigue and you’ve done any research on yourself you’ll see that maybe half the cases are due to sleep issues. Where the person is not getting the proper amount of sleep, so they’re fatigued a lot. So in that case, it’s not that chronic fatigue syndrome is ruining your sleep other issues are ruining your sleep. Listen to our insomnia episode, so that you can look at your own physiology because there are a lot of different causes for insomnia. It’s not just one thing.

Will: Right.

Kinna: Alright. We ready for some questions?

Tony: Yes!

Kinna: Ah yeah! Amber, from Clare Michigan. Does working in a classroom of 15 four olds cause chronic fatigue? Ok, seriously…

Tony: Man.

Kinna: I’ve never been diagnosed with chronic fatigue, but never seem to have energy. How do I know if it’s a deficiency or chronic fatigue?

Tony: That’s a lot of four year olds to have at one time.

Will: I would have chronic fatigue if I were in there.

Kinna: I got tired listening to that.

Tony: Um, but that’s the thing. I think people view chronic fatigue syndrome as some disease that they caught or that they inherited or this is what I was dealt. I think that you have to kind of view it as there’s a situation that happens to a whole lot of people. They don’t understand why so we have to have a name to that or the person feels like their a circus freak and that there’s something wrong with them. But if they can be diagnosed with an issue that other people have then they can feel like ok, I’m not the only one. Other people deal with this too, so I can feel like a human and oh yeah, what drug comes with that? So, that’s just kind of how the medical world works. Is that there has to be a diagnosis or you can’t prescribe any type of drug to go with that. So, I think that Amber is looking at it the right way. You know is it a deficiency or do I have chronic fatigue syndrome? Well, it may not be a deficiency, but it is some type of issue with you processing food or utilizing nutrients or eating the nutrients that you can utilize. Will, can you explain to Kinna for me…

Kinna: Oh no.

Tony: Uh, no. Just talk a little bit….

Will: Why she’s not working here anymore.

Tony: Why today is her last day.

Kinna: No.

Tony: Talk about how we eat foods that people tell us are healthy, um but, not everybody can process fats correctly. Not everybody can process carbs you know so if you’re removing the foods that are what you process that’s a problem.

Will: Yeah, so like whether you hear it’s a good idea to be like vegan or to eat just protein like the Atkins diet or whatever it is that may or may not work for you depending on what your digestion is capable of and what your metabolism needs. So when you don’t have good bile flow, fats are not gonna be good for you. They’re not gonna help you. You need to fix that issue cause you do need them ultimately, but you don’t wanna just say like oh well, Tony says I should eat butter because butter’s good for me. Whatever you know.

Tony: Right, if you can’t process butter that just turns to toxic.

Will: Exactly. Same thing with carbohydrates for someone who’s very insulin resistant, like a diabetic or proteins for someone who doesn’t have good stomach acid production to break it down. So there’s really really great super effective digestive supplements that we talk about all the time. Like hydrochloric acid and beet flow and other things you can do to improve bile flow like coffee enemas or coffee suppositories. You wanna get those systems working because you need all those different macronutrients. Like you don’t wanna just etch yourself into a little restrictive diet box of the things you can digest and just try to work with it. Which is what people do all the time.

Tony: Yeah, before I understood this stuff I had four things I could eat.

Will: Yeah.

Tony: And I ate those four things all the time and sometimes to mix it up I would take two of those things and kind of cram them together in a ball so it would taste a little bit different. But you know people do those things a lot. They just kind of search for something that will allow them to get by, but you can do better than that.

Will: Yeah, and with Amber’s question of like how do you know if it’s a deficiency or chronic fatigue, like one, if you’re tired all the time that’s chronic fatigue. Like that’s what that is, right, so you don’t have to look for a genetic history of that or whatever. Look and see like where is your body in and out of balance and all the key ranges that we talk about like your blood pressure, your breath rate, your pH’s. All the self- tests that we talk about on the free digestive issues course you mentioned earlier at kickitinthenuts.com and then you’ll know what’s in and out of balance and you’ll start to know a lot more about how your digestion’s working too. Which is the whole foundation of fixing all this.

Tony: Right and if your blood pressure is low like the systolic is below 112, that’s gonna be the most common underlying issue with people that are dealing with chronic fatigue. That we see. It’s uh, not enough minerals in there for signals to travel and for all of the body does a lot of stuff besides the stuff that you tell it to do. There’s a lot going on and these resources do that. And (1-6-15 end) (1-7-15 start @ 12:51) low blood pressure’s a strong indication that you don’t have a lot of resources. You have other questions, Kinna, there?

Kinna: I do have other questions. Ross, I’ve heard it can be an adrenal issue. Any truth to that?

Tony: Hello, Ross!

Kinna: I wonder how Rachel is?

Tony: She’s fine.

Kinna: Oh good. And Phoebe?

Tony: Yeah, they’re fine.

Kinna: And Monica and Chandler?

Tony: No more of that! Oh, you know, I have heard this too and we’ve talked about this a little on other shows, but I understand why the medical world views it as an adrenal issue because they look at these people with chronic fatigue syndrome and their adrenals are all shot and tired and not functioning correctly. The way that we view it is that when the body doesn’t have the resources it needs to function a lot of times the adrenals will be called on to jack up some hormone levels and get some adrenaline going and do all these things as a last ditch effort to get the body to function correctly. So yeah, the adrenals get a little bit tired.

Will: Yeah, you can look at it that way with just really low resources and they’re doing the best that they can to try and like cope with that and that can be a stressful thing itself. When you can’t think straight and you have a lot of work demands or whatever so you can look at the strain on your adrenals there. But then you should also look at a couple of main things that we detect when we help someone look at their chemistry. One, like if they aren’t breaking down protein and they don’t have enough nitrogen to go around in their system, their endocrine system will not run right. It just it will not function correctly. So the thyroid gets blamed for it a lot adrenal stress so that’s another reason you need to fix protein digestion. You need to have stomach acid. Without it pretty soon things are going to start to break down that’s why most people that really like really strictly stick to like a vegan diet for a long time end up with that kind of issue like thyroid problems and such. And then you could also look at what is your nervous system having to do because of your metabolism. We’ve talked about this before how if you are a slow oxidizer your autonomic nervous system will put you into fight or flight to try and speed the rate at which your performing glycolysis or carbohydrate metabolism and that can be exhausting also.

Tony: Right.

Will: How long are you gonna ask your body to stay in fight or flight? You know, until you fix the slow oxidizers, which could be decades.

Tony: Right. Right. And a lot of people will treat adrenals and there’s all these treatments to fix adrenal fatigue and all this stuff, but you’re kind of just beating a dying horse when you’re doing that. And we find that if you can help give the body what it’s really looking for what it really needs to function that the adrenals will come back around in you know 8 or 9 days and they’ll be fine, but you have to first fix the underlying cause of what the body’s having trouble with.

Kinna: Shelly, Tallahassee, Florida. How is it that my chronic fatigue doesn’t improve no matter how much sleep I get?

Tony: That’s a good question, Shelly. And go Noles, there in Tallahassee, Florida. Um, but you’ll see that if you research chronic fatigue that only some of the cases are do to sleep problems. So if your fatigue is do to a lack of resources or an inability to process the types of food you’re eating and all that stuff, then sleep is not gonna help you at all.

Will: Yeah, I mean you’re still gonna wake up low blood pressure or nitrogen deficient or whatever it is you know. So look at your base numbers and your body chemistry and your digestion and once those numbers all get dialed and if you’re still tired, then you can shoot me in the foot.

Tony: So if napping is not helping you try the coloring one.

Will: Right.

Tony: We talked about both of those before. Everybody is different. Some people need a nap and some people need to color. I like to color Elmo.

Kinna: And I like to nap. I want to right now. Sheree, what link if any is there between CFS, aw she’s getting…she’s getting all…

Tony: She knows the lingo.

Kinna: yeah, she knows the lingo and major depression? Do you see many people who have been diagnosed with one when they have the other?

Tony: Yes!

Kinna: Oh, okay, cool. That was an easy one.

Tony: Why don’t you hit on that, Will.

Will: Sure. Well, you might, Sheree, wanna look at or listen to the podcast we had about depression and also the other one we had about anxiety. And they are all related to this. Like the amount of energy that your body has available and minerals it has available and its ability just to feel stable and like it can do things. They’re all super connected to your emotional wellbeing, your mental performance, your athletic performance and just your daily energy throughout the day, so yeah they all are super tied together. For a lot of the same reasons. Like if you’re low on resources you’re gonna be tired, but that will also make you feel depressed and less capable to face your day and less abundant in general.

Tony: Right and I hear a lot of people saying that oh, I heard that chronic fatigue syndrome can also cause depression or the other way around. And I view it more as they’re not causing it to each other it’s just they both have the same underlying cause in most cases, so view it as what’s really going on with my body. Not oh, I have this so dang I got this too.

Will: Right. I guess if you were always chronically fatigued you could be bummed about it.

Tony & Kinna:Yeah, depressed.

Will: But if you wanna get the prescription meds for the depression then you should classify the two different ones.

Tony: Right. Right, but let’s say that you’re on meds now. Let’s say your on antidepressants now and so you go to our free digestion course

Tony: (cont) and you do your self tests, and you look at your blood pressure, and your blood pressure is normal, and your like, ok, so that is not it for me, but, understand that, a lot of antidepressants work, by restricting a person’s ability to pee out their salts. So, then their blood pressure comes up, and they are able to function a little better. So, if you are viewing your blood pressure, and you are on meds, if its normal, it may not really be normal, you may have very low mineral content, it’s just a little bit higher, because those meds are pushing it that way.

Will: Same with smoking, right?

Tony: Sure, smoking can do the same type of thing. Same with eat, if you just ate a bunch of sugar, and you test your blood pressure, it could be higher, because of all the sugar that is in your blood in that moment.

Will: Ya, it’s really important to develop your awareness of these other things that are pushing your chemistry around, because we can achieve balance, on like instinctually or sort of unknowingly, like oh, I just really like cigarettes, if its you, if you have a low blood pressure issue, like you do yourself tests, and your like, oh, I don’t have low blood pressure, I don’t know what they’re talking about, but you just smoked 12 cigarettes, well, you need to know, that’s how your getting your numbers into the right zones, and it’s not the healthiest way to do it.

Tony: No, there’s other, there are better ways.

Will: Right?

Tony: Man. Sorry about that, Kinna,

Kinna: Ya, ya, your going to give me a pack of cigarettes to raise my blood pressure, nice, nice.

Will: Zanex, and cigarettes, your on your way.

Kinna: Awwwwesome.

Tony: I think we have time for one more question.

Kinna: Ok. Molly, from Las Vegas, Nevada. Seems like,

Tony: If you have chronic fatigue syndrome in Las Vegas, it stays in Las Vegas.

Kinna: Ya, exactly, exactly.

Will: So, move.

Kinna: And, you’ve got some really bad chronic fatigue, cause they shoot oxygen through the air

Will: That’s nice.

Kinna: All of the casinos, that keeps you awake. So, you should go to the casinos Molly, get some oxygen. Uh, seems like it was a diagnosis for me, created to justify 2 doctors, who were systematically over prescribing me medications. With in, 4 months, of my first low dose, I was sleeping 4 days without waking up. Holy crap.

Tony: That’s a good nap.

Kinna: Ya. Sleeping beauty.

Will: That’s napping like it’s a coma, right?

Tony: A coma, is that what you call it?

Kinna: What if she woke up and there was a frog beside her? That would be funny, to kiss her.

Tony: Uh-huh.

Kinna: That’d be cute. A few sleep studies later, a web, md post came up, came up, with a never before seen description for severe pathological hyper somnolence.

Tony: Somnolence. Hyper somnolence,

Kinna: Hyper somnolence.

Tony: Somnolence.

Kinna: Somnolence? Easy for you to say, it was described as exclusively occurring suddenly, in young women, usually before the age of 24. Which I was at the time, my family doctor gave the diagnosis. He had been attempting to guide me to a conclusion of chronic fatigue before this. Now, I can’t find him on any medical registry. My question, how often is CFS utilized by medical professionals, to cover negligent care, or marginalize preventive measures?

Tony: Well, Um.

Kinna: 22%.

Tony: 22%. That’s not accurate. Good Kinna.

Will: No?

Tony: No. Good. Well, I don’t want to come across that everything in the medical world is accurate, and is on the up, and up, that is not what I am saying.

Kinna: I don’t think you’ve ever come across like that.

Tony: I don’t think I’ve come across like that?

Will: That was not my opinion.

Kinna: No, that

Tony: There is no fear of that? But, I do think that we have to look at one aspect realistically, so, cause when I went through 23 doctors, and I couldn’t figure out my voice issues, I was

Kinna: And we were all happy at that time.

Tony: Ya, I was PISSSED off, at everybody. And then when I learned a lot of the treatments that were being used me, are fictional, and don’t really do anything to help the problem. I was just so mad. But here is what we have to look at, it’s not that the doctors are bad people, it’s just that, they are using the information, that comes from a system that is developed by the pharmaceutical company. So, the problem with what they like to do, with issues like this, is that they diagnose off of blood tests, and Will, can you explain a little bit about how blood, can be compensated.

Will: Ya, so, it’s really, really important that your blood stay with in specific ranges, in a whole lot of things, like, PH is a really good example, and like if your blood PH goes off, even like a few extra tenths of points, it could really, really, it could kill you.

Tony: Ya, you’d be dead.

Will: I mean, you’d be dead. But, your urine, and your saliva PH, can be all over the charts, and they usually are, just crazy fluctuation from person, to person, even throughout the day, and that is because your body is using those fluids, as compensating fluids, to keep the blood in this very balanced range. So, you will see a lot of what like the body is shuffling off, when you look at the urine, and the saliva, but when you look at the blood, it looks like pristine, it’s kind of like when you’re having house guests, and you know they are only going to come in the living room, so you put everything else in the kitchen.

Tony: You put your sex swing back in the room.

Will: Ya, all the vibrators go in the kitchen, you know Kinna.

Kinna: Why are you looking at me, what?

Will: You just clean

Will: (cont) like that one room that they are coming into, and that’s what the blood is, it’s that one super important room of fluid compartment, so your body’s other fluid compartment

Kinna: That’s disgusting.

Will: Well, that’s how it is.

Tony: Right.

Will: So the other fluid compartments will show you, a lot about what the body is doing, to keep itself regulated, even when you look at the blood, its like eh, it’s good.

Tony: Right, but when a doctor takes blood test, this is really all they are operating on, and the person feels lousy, they are hardly functioning, they are hardly human, and then the doctor looks at them, and they say, oh, your fine, there’s nothing wrong with you, but that’s when compassion comes in, cause he can see the person is miserable, and he can’t just be like, sorry about your luck, you know, your blood thing didn’t have anything wrong, so you lose, next patient please.

Will: Right.

Tony: So, that is where they come up with these diagnosis off of symptoms, so they can at least, put a person into a category, and the person can feel ok, there is something wrong with me, it’s not just in my head. I can take a medication for this even. So that’s kind of how it works, so it’s not, I don’t know Molly, maybe in Vegas there was some back, back alley doctor, I don’t know what was going on, but its not always a situation where a doctor was using something to cover up bad treatment, it’s just they don’t, they don’t have any answers.

Will: Right, and that is how it was for me, when I had what seemed like MS, my blood looked perfect, all the nerve tests they did, no, no indications of damage, full spinal MRI, nothing, there was nothing apparent that was off in my physiology, and they did all of these tests, and I believe they wanted to help me, they just weren’t looking at the right things, and they weren’t taught to think about nutrition.

Tony: Right, right., I don’t think that we can hold it against them, we just have to look at you know, there are lots of things that we need to use these medical situations for, but we also have to have the option, of being a little more conscious of what our body is telling us, what our body is doing, and what we can do to help our body function better, and that is something we kind of have to do ourselves. So, uh, Will, what do you think we learned today?

Will: I think the main things, like usual, if you are dealing with chronic fatigue is for one, look at is your body able to digest food, and use it for energy, if not, it’s start there.

Tony: Ya, and we teach in the course, all of the different things to look at, if whither you can process fats better, or carbs, or you know, cause there are signs that your body is telling you, if it’s not processing fats,

Will: Ya, there are little quizzes you can take, it’s a really great, of course, I think we talk about it too much. I think, it’s such a valuable first step for people There are little quizzes where you’ll figure out, like you can trouble shoot your digestion, and then it will take you through these self tests were you can start to understand, like what different body chemical, body chemistry imbalances you have, like if you are low blood pressure, if you are too catabolic, or anabolic, or stuck in one of these different oxidizing imbalances.

Tony: Right, can your body even access oxygen, these things are important to figure out.

Will: Right, once you get all those things dialed, your probably not going to be tired, you know?

Tony: Ya, you know, a lot of people can just do simple things, even if it’s just adding sea salt, if they don’t have enough mineral to create digestion, you know, something like that can help a little bit.

Will: Ya, the fixes, once you figure it out, it’s not like a hard crazy diet that you have to follow, it’s just like, oh, these few things my body needed, and some help digesting them

Kinna: These two things, coffee and cigarettes.

Will: Right?

Kinna: And, I’m not tired anymore.

Tony: Good job, good job. Um, so, ya, that is the thing to take away, don’t feel trapped in your diagnosis, instead, start to look at how your body is functioning, and figure out what may not be working well, cause there are things that you can do, to kind of nudge it in the right direction, so, that you can be functioning like a real boy.

Kinna: That’s right, I’m ready to go take a nap,

Tony: Alright, nap on.

Kinna: You people wore me out. If you want to learn more, about how to look up your own chemistry, you can read any of Teemy, Teemy?

Teemy: Teemy?

Kinna: Any of Tiny’s books, any of Tony’s books, or take the free 4 week digestion course, at kickitinthenuts.com

Tony: Well, I’m done, I’m done talkin now.

Kinna: Ya, it’s time for a siesta.