Kick It Naturally – Gallstones & Kidney Stones
T.C. Hale is not a doctor and does not claim to be a doctor, licensed in any type of medical field. Don’t be an idiot and use anything heard on this show as medical advice. This information should be used for educational purposes only and you should contact your doctor for any medical advice. Now get off me.
Kinna: Welcome to Kick It Naturally, I’m Kinna McInroe, and I’m here with
T.C Hale, author, natural healthbert…
Tony: Now, I’m a natural healthbert.
Kinna: Now natural healthbert, natural health expert, producer and a bunch of other stuff. What’s up, T.C.?
Tony: Hello. Healthbert!
Kinna: Healthbert! We also have Will, hottie patottie Schmidt, who’s also a healthpert.
Kinna: How ya doing?
Tony: And we have Kinna here, but only barely.
Kinna: Yeah, I’m not really here. I’m not a healthpert.
Tony: She almost died today because of her blade protein shake.
Kinna: Yeah, oh yeah, I was drinking a protein shake and the blade came off.
Will: Is that why your tongue isn’t working?
Kinna: Yes! Good one. Yeah, I cut my tongue out, but seriously, if I had swallowed that?
Will: That’s insane!
Kinna: That would’ve been freaky. I’ve never thought of that way to die.
Tony: That would’ve been painful coming out.
Kinna: Yeah, and I would’ve blamed you from the other side. Big time.
Tony: It wasn’t my blender though.
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Kinna: Cool. All right, so today’s topic is kidney stones or gallstones and I’ve never had those, but I hear they’re painful from all the comments.
Tony: It’s almost the worst thing that has ever existed in anyone’s life ever.
Will: Except for like blade shakes.
Kinna: Yeah, people are like I’d rather have twenty kids.
Tony: Blade shakes are the worst.
Kinna: That is the worst. Try a blade shake, people, and then tell me if your gallstone’s painful.
Tony: But kidney stones are caused by eating kidney beans.
Tony: I don’t know why they haven’t figured this out. It’s right there in the name.
Kinna: And why don’t people just stop eating stones? You know, don’t eat stones and don’t eat rocks. It’s not good for you.
Tony: No, kidney beans actually do not cause kidney stones, but wouldn’t that be funny if that was it and nobody could figure that out.
Will: No brain.
Kinna: I wonder if you could grow a kidney bean in your stomach? It’s a bean and it’s in your stomach.
Tony: I don’t know. It was a good question though.
Kinna: It was a good question.
Tony: I’m glad we started with that question.
Kinna: Yeah, I got a bunch of questions today. So?
Tony: Let’s talk for a little bit about kidney stones and then we’ll get into the gallstone stuff a little bit later. Um, but the kidney stone topic is super confusing and nobody agrees on anything and they just want to fight about it.
Kinna: Kind of like congress and stuff.
Tony: It’s similar to that.
Tony: Meanwhile everyone is over balled up in the fetal position in pain because of kidney stones, but the issue is that there’s a lot of different causes and even the stones can be made up of different stuff. It may be made up of….
Kinna: Blender blades.
Tony: Yeah, blender blades. I got a case of blender blade stones.
Tony: That I cannot pass. They can be made from uric acid and oxalate and all these different things, so people can have them caused by a lot of different reasons. That’s why everybody likes to argue about what’s going on. So, a lot of times if you have kidney stones the first step is to…
Kinna: Admit you have kidney stones.
Tony: Yeah, you have to admit and then you have to apologize to like twelve people.
Kinna: Everyone you yelled at while you had your kidney stones.
Tony: The thing is to catch one. Like they give you a screen to pee in.
Tony: Like you pee through this screen, so that you can catch a stone then they can analyze the stone and say okay, this is made of calcium phosphate or this is more of a uric acid situation going on and then you can kind of get an idea of what is your cause. Today we really want to focus a lot on a major thing that nobody talks about at all.
Kinna: Let me guess. Digestion?
Will: Tom Selleck?
Tony: Yeah, nobody ever talks about Tom Selleck anymore. So we want to focus this show on Tom Selleck.
Kinna: I’m all for it. I love Magnum P.I.
Tony: Yeah, I saw him walk up, there’s a recording studio above our gym and he was walking up there and he’s still like so dreamy with his mustache.
Kinna: You didn’t text me? Omg! I would’ve totally been there in a second.
Tony: It was about a year ago, but his stache, he had a dreamy mustache still.
Kinna: You should do that every morning before we work out and I’ll be there on time I bet.
Tony: Oh, I bet that would….
Kinna: If you hurry and you’re here in the next 5 minutes Tom Selleck just went up.
Tony: Um, but the situation is that, what happens is there’s all this stuff in the body that the kidneys are responsible for removing and filtering out. So a lot of this stuff moves through the kidneys and when that liquid becomes concentrated then these substances are closer together they’re allowed to kind of hang out near each other where if it was more diluted they would not be so close together. When that happens then they can kind of start to connect and when anything connects all the sudden it’s like everybody wants to hang with that and that’s when the stones can start to form.
Kinna: The Rolling Stones. That’s what happened to them, you know?
Tony: That’s why they became so popular. Is because of high uric acid. Um, but, so the big issue that a lot of people look over is that why is the urine so concentrated and why isn’t more water going through the kidneys, so that this liquid is not so concentrated because that’s the main issue. You know there are all these things that people say that if you do this you won’t get kidney stones. Oh, it’s because of all this oxalate and all this uric acid. But if you look at it like this, like a bullet, if you have a handful of bullets they’re really not that dangerous. Like I can throw ‘em at and at worse you’re just going to be annoyed or maybe I might poke you in the eye.
Kinna: If you swallow them.
Tony: Yeah, you could swallow them.
Kinna: Like blades.
Will: You can put them in your shake.
Tony: Uh huh, put them in your shake.
Tony: And a gun is the same way it’s not that dangerous. I could hit you in the head with a gun, but it’s not dangerous, unless you put the bullets in the gun and now you have a situation. So a lot of these things that people are up in arms about with kidney stones would not be an issue if there were more water going through the kidneys. It’s not just a matter of drinking more water for a lot of people it could be a matter of where your body is sending water. Go, Will!
Will: Okay, so when you’re in, what we’ve talked about on pretty much every previous episode the catabolic imbalance, more of the water that you consume goes through your colon and less of it is partitioned through the kidneys. So you have less water flow going through that system to clear it out, which would allow for the accumulation of junk. All sorts of different kinds of junk, so you may not even have more uric acid being produced by your body, you may just not be clearing it out at an efficient rate.
Tony: Right, so it’s not always about the amount of water that you’re drinking it’s like what’s going on with that water in your body, but for a lot of people, I mean we see clients all the time, and looking at their physiology and you’re just like have you seen water ever? Cause you can just tell they’re not drinking anything and you ask them and they’re like well, I just had 3 cups of coffee. You know, but that’s not water. People aren’t drinking water they’re drinking soda and think that that counts as water, so for a lot of people it is a matter of hey, why don’t you drink some water. You know, try that out.
Will: That’d be helpful.
Tony: Right, see what that does, um, but for just as many people it’s more of an issue of what is your body doing with water. So, we teach in our FREE 4 week digestive course at kickitinthenuts.com, how to look at your physiology and figure out do I have a catabolic imbalance and is my body sending too much water to the wrong place. But even beyond that, a simple thing could just be pee in a cup and look at it. And if you feel like you could paint the wall because it’s so yellow and it’s so thick then that’s not very diluted urine.
Kinna: Thick? I’ve never seen thick pee.
Tony: Yeah, well I mean it just looks thick.
Kinna: Oh okay, so like somebody like myself who is anabolic and stuff and who is, you know, electrolyte deficient, if I had gallstones what would be the cause of that? Because I always have to drink less water cause I flush myself out too much.
Tony: Well, gallstones would be different we’re talking about kidney stones here.
Kinna: Oh, okay.
Tony: Geez a minetta. So that’s a really important thing that you brought up because a lot of people are not drinking a lot of water, but they’ve figured out that they feel better when they don’t drink water so they’re doing that whether it’s subconscious or on purpose. If they were to increase their water intake they would feel lousy. Maybe Will could explain to us why?
Will: Yeah, because like you or other people in like an electrolyte deficient imbalance the more water that you pour in the more dispersed all the sediment becomes like your electrolytes and that sort of thing. So the less conductivity there is as you create more space with not enough minerals, so you become the blood in your system becomes even more dilute which is already too dilute cause you’re in this electrolyte deficient state. So your body would on purpose not trigger the thirst reflex. So you wouldn’t feel like oh, I want to drink more water because it knows it’s trying to keep a certain amount of charge and density in the blood.
Tony: And you may learn that you know I feel better if I don’t drink a lot of water.
Will: Yeah, cause there’s this really important thing that the body’s regulating and it knows it’s like at the top of the hierarchy of things that your body is trying to keep in homeostasis is your blood being spread out or not collapsing together. Like Tony you were talking about before different particles liking to hang out together like uric acid crystals accumulating or whatever. The blood is trying to do this opposite thing of staying a colloidal suspension where the blood cells are separate.
Tony: Everything’s dispersed.
Will: Yeah, right. It’s really important that there’s the right charge called zeta potential, which is an electromagnetic thing that happens when the blood is balanced in such a way where it can stay in suspension and all the blood cells don’t like all of a sudden clot together. When your electrolyte levels get like too high and too many cations and anions and it falls out of that correct electromagnet range your blood will collapse and you’ll have a heart attack or if it gets too low you can have a seizure. Either way the body’s doing everything it can to regulate and keep the proper zeta potential or electromagnetic charge in the bloodstream. So that diminished thirst thing is that you would feel if you’re electrolyte deficient, is your body making a big priority about trying to keep your blood liquidy.
Tony: Liquidy, that’s the scientific term. That’s how we like to roll. So for someone who is, who has low blood pressure, but they’re having kidney stone issues, you know drinking more water may be important, but they first need to qualify to drink more water and they need to figure out why is blood pressure so low. I mean we’ve probably only had one podcast where we didn’t talk about that. Um, but you can learn about that in the digestion course too and how to look at your physiology, but then if you can work to raise and get more minerals in there, then you qualify to drink more water and more water can move through the kidneys and be a deterrent in those stones forming.
Kinna: And that 4 week FREE digestion course is at kickitinthenuts.com.
Tony: True dat.
Kinna: So you can take it there and find out what’s going on with you.
Tony: Yeah, and we’re going to talk about something else that happens a lot of times with people with low electrolytes, but let’s get into questions first and we’ll, I think somebody asked some questions about that and we’ll throw it in there.
Kinna: Okay, Paula, from West Palm Beach, Florida. Very painful. Easier having kids. Wow!
Tony: Which I hear is pretty painful.
Tony: But it is if you’ve never experienced it it’s probably the worst pain that or gallstones are some of the worst pains that there are and like when you’re going through it, like if someone told me shaving my head right now would fix it, I would be very happy to do that. Cause it’s like ball up in the fetal position, throw up because you’re in so much pain and then just cry like a little girl.
Kinna: Hmm…wow! Well, Fred in Austin, Texas says I can attest to that not fun at all. Has Fred had a child or something?
Will: Does she mean having kids? Like going into labor? Or like having like 18 years worth of…
Tony: I think she means like going into labor.
Kinna: Yeah, labor cause she’s probably like 18 years of…
Will: Cause I would rather have a kidney stone.
Kinna: Oh, Sharon from Los Angeles, California. Oh yeah, I remember passing out from the pain. Not as bad as chicken pox, but a close second.
Will: Wow, there’s some debate about level of badness.
Kinna: You know, I don’t remember chicken pox, but I do have scars from chicken pox and I have a place where my eyelashes won’t grow now.
Tony: Cause of chicken pox?
Kinna: Cause of chicken pox and I have to dot it in with my eyeliner and it’s a pain in the ass.
Tony: I don’t have that problem. I don’t dot things in.
Kinna: Uh, Joanne. I would take having 23 hours of labor all over again then having kidney stones ever. It’s the devil’s worst pain he can endure on the body. I had them when I was 5 months pregnant and had to be hospitalized. Ironically, the same child now needs surgery to have gallstones taken out 16 years later.
Tony: So I guess Joanne was like he had it coming.
Kinna: Yeah, exactly.
Will: Wow, all we’ve had so far is just like testaments about how bad it is.
Kinna: It’s bad.
Tony: And now we understand that the devil causes them.
Will: What causes kidney stones?
Tony: Kidney beans and the devil cause kidney stones.
Kinna: So, Lara, from Seattle, Washington. Kidney stones seem to run in my family. My brother, sister and I have recurring stones every 2 to 3 years. Other than genetics what are we doing that causes them to keep coming back? And what can we do to prevent them. Thanks!
Tony: I don’t know. Next question.
Kinna: Pray to God instead of Satan…apparently.
Tony: Yeah, but you do hear that…awesome, our show’s religious now.
Kinna: Yeah, let’s talk about politics too.
Tony: Right, yeah, you know, but you hear a lot of people that say it’s a genetic thing and my mom had them so I have them too so that’s just how it goes. And I don’t buy into that almost at all. I do think that, um, there’s genetic things that can point you towards dysfunction and things that can go on in the body, but that doesn’t mean that you are destined to have kidney stones. You can still adjust things so that you’re not dealing with what’s creating them. So if it’s a problem that you’re having every 2 to 3 years then you should be able to look at your physiology and something is probably going to be screaming out. Hey, I’m a kidney stone maker kind of thing. Um, and if you’ve had them that many times you probably know what they’re made of because maybe you have some on the mantle of your fire place or something if you’ve had that many. And once you know what it is then you can start looking at why, is so much calcium phosphate going through my kidneys or uric acid or whatever the stone is made of and you can start to get an idea of what you need to do to avoid having them. The first question is what’s going on with water? Number 1 are you drinking it? And number 2, do you pee enough of it or is it going out the back door a lot of the time? So that’s important to figure out. Do I have a catabolic imbalance and are there things I can do that would push more water through the kidneys, so it’s not so concentrated?
Kinna: And as far as genetics, I mean my father had red hair and now I have red hair, so what could I do about that, Tony?
Tony: Right, well, that’s not because of your father. It’s because of you keep coloring in your eyelash from that chicken pox and it spreads to your hair and now your hair is red.
Tony: Yeah, so things like that, I was when I was thinking about this question I was like you know if somebody has red hair that’s a genetic thing they really got that.
Kinna: Yeah, yeah.
Tony: And we can get genes that are handed to us that predispose us to maybe have chemistry to go in one direction, but you can always take steps to improve that.
Kinna: Yeah, I think it’s called like the MR1 something gene or something that predisposes you to be a redhead? I mean it’s like I’m a mutant basically. It’s a mutated gene.
Kinna: So there you go. That it explains me.
Will: It does.
Tony: One of the things that I really like people to do first off, if they’re having kidney stone issues, is I want them to look at their urine pH because if their urine pH is high like over 6.3 that’s an indication that you’re peeing out a lot of calcium. So let’s look at a couple of reasons why somebody would be peeing out so much calcium and maybe why they would maybe have so much calcium floating around. Do you want to talk about anything like that?
Will: Sure, there are lots of things that push it up.
Will: Like if you’re on the D3 train like if you’re supplementing with D3.
Tony: Cause all the cool kids are on Vitamin D you’re going to take it too?
Will: Yeah, yeah. Cause it’s…yeah?
Kinna: Oh, I thought Nina was looking at you cause you were swinging back and forth, so that’s why I stopped you.
Will: Oh, if you’re taking a lot of D3, like these mega doses that are often recommended, it’s a calcium magnet or vacuum like you like to say a calcium vacuum. So it will just pull calcium from everywhere from your bones, from your muscles and your nerves and your food also and you’ll see that in a really high urine pH cause that calcium is being peed out and calcium is very alkaline. So, that’s one thing that could cause excess calcium to be accumulating as well as sugar. Sugar does that too.
Kinna: I was just about to ask about sugar.
Will: When are we going to rip on sugar?
Kinna: Yeah! Cause I was just transcribing some stuff from earlier shows about calcium following sugar.
Will: Yeah, and it does.
Kinna: I keep my calcium busy.
Tony: Uh huh.
Will: Right, so if you’re on like a juice cleanse, yeah, even like a green juice cleanse like that could do it or if you eat a lot of starches or regular white sugar like cheerios stuff.
Tony: Soda, all that kind of stuff.
Will: All that will pull like valuable electrolytes including calcium and chloride and stuff out of your cells and into your pee that you’ll lose.
Tony: Right, cause it holds it in the blood and D makes the blood calcium retentive. You’ll even find stuff when you go to research kidney stones that a lot of people say that people who use a lot of Vitamin D are more susceptible to kidney stones. It totally makes sense to us because we talk all the time about how Vitamin D really works. You’re not just improving your calcium intake you’re pulling, you’re not only pulling calcium in through the food with that Vitamin D, but you’re also sucking it up from everywhere, so now the calcium levels go really high and the body says I can’t have all of this calcium here, so I’m going to pee a bunch of it out.
Kinna: What if you drank your pee?
Tony: If you drank your pee you’d double your calcium.
Kinna: Oh, I thought you said, okay, cause I had a woman, a teacher, that used to drink her pee for her allergies.
Tony: Yeah, there are a lot of people who use that as a therapy.
Kinna: It’s disgusting.
Tony: Yeah, I’m going to go ahead and not drink my pee, if you don’t mind?
Kinna: Good. Oh good.
Tony: This is one of the first things I like to look at cause it’s just common for people to be dealing with chronic kidney stones over and over again because they’re just peeing out so much calcium that it’s so concentrated in the urine that sure, sooner or later some of it’s going to clump together and form a little stone and you’re going to scream.
Will: Yeah, and that can cause other problems too. Like we had a recent episode about arthritis and how calcium is accumulated in that same way in your interstitial fluids base like in your joints and things like that and this is also like super tied into heart disease. Like when your blood collapses like that’s a problem. A really great book to read about that if you’re more interested in those kind of deeper sciences is “Disease Reprieve: Living Into The Golden Years” by T.C. McDaniels. Where he talks all about….
Kinna: Aw. Another T.C.
Will: Yeah, right?
Tony: Oh, I forgot about him.
Will: He’s your great great cousin.
Kinna: Uh huh.
Tony: I was named after him.
Will: Yeah, but it’s an epic book where he talks all about how all this stuff works at the electromagnetic level.
Tony: Right, but so all those things you know like with calcium gets deposited in joints and causes pain or um, same with like uric acid can create issues like gout.
Kinna: You okay?
Will: Choking on water, sorry.
Tony: Right, um, uric acid can create issues like gout it can also create kidney stones. So it’s just a matter of what your body is doing with this stuff. Is it depositing it into joints? Is it all clumping it together in the kidneys as the body is trying to get rid of it? You know that’s going to vary greatly from person to person, but it’s not just about the excess calcium. It’s not just about the uric acid. It’s also about the concentration of the liquid as it goes out. Both of those things have to be in place for those stones to create. So, sometimes you don’t have to fix everything that’s going so wrong if you can dilute the urine a little more and keep it from clumping together.
Kinna: It’d be cool if those stones could form a diamond.
Kinna: And then you could pee out diamonds.
Tony: And then that pain might be worth it.
Kinna: Yeah, exactly! It’d be a high dollar stone.
Tony: People would be screaming out in front of the pawn shop every day. I’m almost there! Just a minute longer.
Kinna: Uh, Christina. How can you keep getting kidney stones repeatedly if you’re hardly taking in calcium and drinking tons of water?
Tony: So, that’s a little bit of what we were just talking about. So it doesn’t really matter the amount of calcium that you’re consuming. And there’s also a lot of calcium in a lot of things that you probably don’t realize. You’re probably thinking that calcium is just dairy like a lot of people do and that’s just not the case. Calcium is in a lot of stuff, but as we see and this is the thing I wanted to hit on with the electrolyte deficient person, that a lot of times when the minerals are low and the body doesn’t have, it’s not getting what it needs from your food it’ll just steal it from you. So calcium can just come out of bones and all that when the body needs it.
Will: Uh huh. There’s lots of calcium in your bones.
Tony: Yeah, it’s handy there. So, the body needs stuff. A lot of times it’ll also be looking for phosphorous and stuff in the tissues and bones. It’ll pull that out and then the calcium just kind of falls off and then it’s floating around free. So now, you’re peeing out tons of calcium even if you’re not consuming a lot of calcium and so that can be an issue. Also, if you’re drinking tons of water, where’s it going? You know, so that’s kind of what we covered. So you need to figure out where your water’s going. See if you’re balanced in that catabolic/anabolic state and then you’ll get an idea of what’s going on.
Kinna: Patty, from Fargo, North Dakota. I have the kidney stone the size of a large walnut. What to do? Help!
Will: She’s Scottish?
Kinna: She is a little Scottish. I was trying to do the Midwest thing with her.
Tony: Patty, don’t pass that.
Tony: Don’t pass that stone cause there would be a lot of screaming involved. You know, sheesh, you know they talk so much where a lot of people do the thing where they’re doing the ultra sound shockwave thing where they like break it apart with ultra sound waves and then they can make those stones smaller so they’re easier to pass. And then maybe you pass like 30 or 40 of them. I don’t know. I don’t know how that works.
Kinna: Oh God!
Tony: And there’s also they do surgery stuff to remove them and I don’t know stuff about all that, but there are things that the medical community does to break things up to make them smaller, but you don’t want to pass that. And the thing is that the stones don’t really pose any trouble until they get stuck in that ureter tube that goes from the kidneys down to the bladder.
Kinna: That Ureter? Urethra?
Tony: Yeah, and that’s when it gets stuck and blocks the flow is when hey, I’m gonna do some screaming and my neighbors are gonna call 911 cause they think I’m getting murdered.
Will: Would malic acid help in this case?
Tony: You know I don’t know if it helps as much with kidney stones as it does with gallstones.
Tony: I do know that some people say you can’t melt a kidney stone or even a gallstone, but a lot of people say hey, use this and you can. And when I had kidney stones I was able to melt them. This is when I first started doing all this stuff and it was an amazing pain. It’s like undescribable, but I guess a lot of people did in the beginning of the show. Described it pretty well.
Kinna: Yeah, they did try to describe it.
Tony: But um, I was able to use things and melt it down. A lot of people will say to use concentrated cherry juice and that can help melt things down, but again I think it depends on the type of stone and what’s you know, causing it. Some people use Vitamin C and probably in the form of ascorbic acid that’s acidifying to try and melt things down. But other people say that there are issues with Vitamin C with some people that can create more oxalates and then stones can be formed from those oxalates. So it’s hard to know without knowing what the stone is made of, what the exact step would be to melt one down. It is clear to us the steps to keep from having them come back and back over again is to make things more diluted so it’s not such a problem.
Kinna: Hm…Dana, from Avon, Ohio. It’s a combination of things. Not just calcium. You have to catch a stone and have it analyzed to find out the cause and go from there.
Tony: Right, so we talked about that some.
Kinna: Uh huh.
Tony: Good job!
Kinna: Tawny, from Tulsa, Oklahoma. How long does it take to pass kidney stones? I had an ultra sound show them in my kidneys a few weeks ago, still painful and wonder if they are moving or stuck?
Tony: They’re stuck. Next question.
Kinna: Oh God.
Tony: No, so a lot times you won’t even know they’re there because they’re just in the kidney. They’re in there. They’re not causing any trouble they just want to go about their business and get bigger, but it’s when it starts getting things stuck is when it’s a problem. So who knows? There is such a wide variety of variables that can dictate whether it’s even going to try and flow out, so I don’t have an answer at all.
Kinna: All right. Roxanne, from Upland, California. Obesity plays a big role for kidney stones and liver failure. Salt, sugar and alcohol to avoid.
Tony: No, next question. No, I see what she’s saying, you know, because the thing is that, a lot of people that are dealing with obesity issues got that way from really high insulin levels. And they got the high insulin levels from eating a lot of sugars and carbs. Of course we know that eating sugars and carbs is gonna pull calcium out of the tissues into the blood and then if you’re peeing out calcium all the time then there’s a lot more stuff that could happen. So, I see why she would say that, but being overweight in itself is not going to create any type of kidney stone issue that I know of. Salt is actually needed for your body to remove urea and same for that uric acid issue, so you know, cutting down on salt and electrolytes is not always such a great idea when you’re trying to avoid stones.
Kinna: Adrian, from Charlotte, North Carolina. I’ve had colicky kidney stones twice. The pain is unreal. Is it colicky? Is that colicky?
Tony: True, true and when they say colicky that means okay, it’s blocking up tubes and stuff and here’s some pain for ya.
Kinna: Oh, I was thinking of colic, like a baby.
Tony: You know colicky baby, it’s not blocking tubes, but I think that the baby is disgruntled.
Tony: And when you have this pain you are disgruntled.
Kinna: Oh okay.
Tony: Maybe that’s why they call it that.
Kinna: Okay, I didn’t know what colic was? If colic is the pain or what? Okay, okay learning stuff everyday people.
Tony: I don’t know.
Kinna: Wendy, I had an 11millimeter stone surgically removed due to the fact it was sitting at the base of the ureter at my bladder. I was in mild pain for 3 days and then all at once they pain was so severe it made me think I was gonna die. I went to the ER at 4 am jacked up on Dilaudid. Dilaudid?
Tony: Pain medication, drug, strong.
Kinna: Yes, something. They sent me home with my instructions to go to my urologist at 8:00. By 9:30 I was in surgery. The only other stone I’ve passed was done in 7 hours. Tawny, who she’s referring to in an earlier question, I think the travel must be governed by the size of the stone. I know this all goes back to digestion in some form. If your kidney stone is determined to be largely calcium in composition then it is fair to say that your body isn’t digesting calcium in a way that is able to be absorbed for it’s intended purpose. How can this be corrected naturally? I’ve heard that if you drink olive oil and raw lemon juice in combination it can actually dissolve stones. True or false? On that same note, Brianny, from Brisbane, Queensland, Australia says, what do you think of the olive oil, lemon juice flush?
Tony: So lots of stuff there. And Wendy was asking, she said is it a sign that calcium is not being digested.
Kinna: Oh, she wasn’t making a statement, she was asking a question.
Tony: Yeah, she was asking. So it’s not always a situation where you’re not digesting calcium and that’s why you’re peeing so much of it out. It can also be a situation like we talked about before. Um, as far as the lemon juice olive oil thing, I know that that’s more popular with gallstones. I have heard that olive oil has the ability to melt stones, but, and I think we’re going to get into gallbladders, gallstones here now so we can talk about this too, but I found some research that indicated that this olive oil flush thing that people do with lemon juice can help push stones out because the large amount of fats all at once are forcing your gallbladder to say hey, there’s fats in here, so you need bile. So I’m going to do everything I can to squeeze whatever I’ve got out so that you can use it to emulsify this large bullous of fats that you have consumed at once. So and they explained that that’s why that can be successful. The problem with this is that if you do this it can also flush a lot out of the liver and a lot of people will use this as a liver flush. If you do a liver flush when bile is not flowing, there’s no exit strategy for all those toxins that you’re flushing out of the liver and then it can, all of that can go into the kidneys and the kidneys are like, I got to deal with all this and then you can have kidney failure. Cause the kidneys are trying to deal with all these toxins at once. So anytime somebody wants to do something like this I’m always like you really want to get bile moving before you do any kind of thing that’s going to flush out the liver because then there’s an exit strategy. Maybe talk about beet flow a little bit, Will, and how to we use that and that’s like a more gentle way to at least get bile moving at first.
Will: Yeah, I mean, the strategy itself of like challenging your gallbladder by drinking and trying to digest a cup of olive oil, it’s like oh, you’re not working that well, huh? Well, how about this? You’re already not emulsifying fats well, so like a boatload of olive oil? Which the one time that I did this it was probably the most nauseating thing ever. It was worse than when I went deep sea fishing and got super seasick when I was 10, it was worse than that. It was like that, plus itchy all over. It was really rough. So we much prefer using a product called beet flow, which is mostly, there’s a few different ingredients, but the most active ingredient in it is the juice from the leaves of the beet greens. So that just does something nice to the bile and makes it have an easy consistency where it can flow better.
Tony: Yeah, that kind of thins it out and a lot of people kind of have bile that’s too thick.
Will: Which is what a gallstone is. It’s crystalized bile.
Will: Exactly, so beet flow can directly work on that in a really gentle way rather than like slamming a cup of oil in there and making this huge demand on a system that’s already not working well.
Tony: Right, so if that’s important to you to do that then the suggestion is to just use beet flow or some other type of beet green product, not a beet root product because it just does not work the same. The green, the juice of the greens needs to be in there in order to get it to thin out. So, as we go into this let’s talk about gallstones just for a second before we get into the gallstone questions. What the gallbladder is a lot of people, especially the medical community, just looks at it as sack where the bile is stored. When we eat food and the acid is mixed with that food as it leaves the stomach we drop bile on to neutralize the acidic food and then it doesn’t go screaming through the body cause it’s too hot and it can let everything break apart, we can pull everything out of it, so it’s important. When that bile leaves the liver, cause it’s made in the liver and it goes down into the gallbladder and it’s stored there, the gallbladder also concentrates this bile so that it’s more effective. A lot of people that are dehydrated, you know the body if it needs water somewhere else it can be rescued from the kidneys or even from the gallbladder and put back into other places that may need it more. If the gallbladder’s job is to concentrate that bile so it’s more effective, if it also becomes dehydrated or that bile is more thick and it’s just not moving as well then that concentration can end up turning into stones and that becomes the trouble.
Will: Uh huh.
Tony: So, let’s go into the questions and let’s talk about ways to make sure that bile is moving because as long as it’s moving and it’s not so thick and sticky then it won’t get stuck there in the gallbladder. And as it concentrates more and more then it’s just going to turn into those stones. So the most important factor is to keep that bile moving.
Kinna: All right. Amber, from Clare, Michigan. 1) Why does working out sometimes trigger my gallbladder attack? 2) I’ve read, maybe from you, apple juice or apple cider helps ease some of the pain. Why? 3) I’m in pain right now. Can Will come rub my neck? I’ll settle for Kinna McInroe.
Will: Um, we’re doing a podcast right now.
Tony: Oh! Amber, we’re doing a podcast right now he says.
Kinna: Yeah, sorry.
Tony: I guess he’s going to come after? I don’t know.
Will: We’ll see.
Kinna: He might be able to catch a plane today?
Tony: Right. Um, but do you have any thoughts on, I mean could it be that her working out is, you know, she’s sweating out all of her liquids and things become more dehydrated?
Will: Yeah, there’s that. She could be putting herself into a more sympathetic nervous system thing depending on how intense the workout is which would kind of deprioritize digestion. You’re losing salts while you’re working out also. So yeah, there are a number of things that could be happening in the nervous system and electrolyte level that could make your gallbladder freak out.
Tony: Will, will explain it more when he gets there to rub you.
Will: What about the apple juice?
Tony: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, uh…
Kinna: Or apple cider vinegar was the other one?
Tony: Well, a lot of people say that malic acid can be used to melt gallstones. I don’t know if that’s true, um, I have heard of people having success with it so, I’m okay with them saying that and I’ll go along with it, but malic acid is highest in apple juice, so some people use that if they don’t want use like a malic acid supplement.
Kinna: But apple juice has lots of sugar.
Tony& Will: Right.
Tony: So, you don’t want to go that route and cause more trouble that way. Is that what you were going to say?
Will: Yeah, malic acid is not expensive or hard to find.
Will: So if you’re trying to keep your sugar low, you might want to supplement.
Kinna: Lena, got my gallbladder removed in October and out of the blue, suddenly I have major gluten allergy sensitivity that I’ve never had before. Are they related?
Will: That damn blade shake.
Kinna: Before, that I’ve never had before.
Tony: Yeah, I’m gonna let Will talk about this and maybe this has something to do with digestion?
Will: Yeah, it might have something to do with digestion?
Will: So like we’ve talked about in our previous episode on food sensitivities…
Kinna: And every other episode.
Will: And allergies that um, glutens and other lectins and things that can cause allergy reactions are not usually a problem if your digestion’s working well. Like if your intestinal mucai is present it’ll block most of the lectins and things that can cause these allergic reactions. So when you get rid of your bile supply, all the sudden, you just have acidic food sludge going through your intestine and it totally changes the eco-system inside there and can like definitely singe and burn and change the whole mucus lining of the intestines and all of the sudden now all those lectin allergies and glutens can be a big problem.
Tony: Right, so you know the stomach acid is the first part of digestion, but all those nutrients are not really broken down or that food is not really broken down into elemental nutrients like amino acids, vitamins, minerals, it’s not broken down into those nutrients until the bile comes and meets with that acid and it’s the opposite pH’s meeting together that creates this sizzle and kind of breaks all of that food apart. So without a gallbladder, and we really should talk about this a little in this episode since there are so many gallstone people and they think, oh, I’ll just have my gallbladder removed and people that already have had it removed, once the gallbladder is removed digestion is turned off. It’s no longer functioning the way that it should. There are steps that you can take to improve it and have better digestion, but it’s never going to be the way it was intended to be because that bile has to be there to create that sizzle and break that food apart. So if the bile’s not there and there’s not enough of it cause it’s not stored to accumulate, then the food is not elemental nutrients anymore. It still has its identity and all those lectins are still in tact and now a food can create a food allergy and that’s kind of where that comes up. If you’ve had your gallbladder removed you really need to take the 4 week digestion course and learn things. We have like a whole page of just videos for people who have lost their gallbladders, so they can understand how they can use like, you know, ox bile supplements and kind of synthesize digestion that is no longer there. Uh, so take that course and it’s FREE and learn. If you’re thinking about having your gallbladder removed then go ahead and don’t. Um, you really want to learn the steps you can take to improve the situation without losing your gallbladder. Because there are steps you can take to save that, but once it’s gone, I mean you can’t pick up a gallbladder at a garage sale and put it back in. It doesn’t work.
Kinna: On the transplant list for a gallbladder.
Kinna: You could add yourself there. Julie, from Bonnersferry, Idaho. I had terrible gallbladder attacks over 9 years ago. I drank some nasty Chinese herbal prescription tea, which I’m pretty sure saved my gallbladder, as surgery was not an option for me, but the tea didn’t solve my problems as I couldn’t eat prime rib…
Will: Why rib anymore?
Kinna: Or bacon or sausage or any fatty meals. Went 7 years without prime rib. Agony! I can eat a little bacon and sausage, but not much. I also did the master cleanse with the olive oil, lemon juice and garlic flush several times and got rid of some gallstones, but the discomfort in my back and under my ribcage did not go away for good until I learned what to do and how to fix my digestion, instead of compensate for my whack digestion. So if anyone struggles with gallbladder attacks it’s well worth the effort, money and time to learn how to fix your chemistry. For years I thought I didn’t have a digestion problem because I never had heartburn. Wrong! I understand that my gallbladder problems didn’t happen over night. I had most of the markers for gallbladder problems: several pregnancies 5, obese and then lost weight, a lot of weight, female and my mom had hers removed. So my problems will not be fixed over night. I’m over a year into following my protocol with switching it up now and again based on my chemistry and I’m still taking 5 HCL with every meal and 3 beet flow. So if someone else out there thinks they should see results sooner than they are do not give up! Things take time to change. A master cleanse for some, a magical shake, doesn’t get to the root of the problem. Work on fixing your chemistry and everything else might just fall into place. Keep up the good work! Is this one of your followers?
Tony: This is someone in the group and she’s had so much success with what she’s learned and with her coach that she wants to be a coach.
Tony: Yeah, she’s like trying to learn things now, but that’s the advice that’s in the medical world for people who have lost their gallbladders is just don’t eat any fats. Because we need bile to emulsify those fats and if you don’t have bile to emulsify those fats then they become toxic and you can feel nauseous and lousy. Um, so, that’s kind of what they tell people is just don’t eat fats, but you’re kind of not digesting anything else either without that bile there.
Will: Yeah, which makes me think of this one really important thing that you taught me years ago and now it seems obvious, but if someone can’t digest a particular type of macronutrient, like protein or fat or carbs, they shouldn’t eat it until they can digest it.
Will: And just cause you read like, oh no, healthy fats are good for me now. They may not be good for you like if you don’t have the bile you need to break it down or if you’re like really insulin resistant any carbs are not good. So picking up a book like, “The Zone”, like you need 30, 40, 40 like carbs, proteins, fats evenly. Or a high fat, low carb, it’s never going to suit everybody. You have to look at like what does that person’s digestion capable of accommodating and what does their chemistry need and we’ve got to play within those bounds and work to improve.
Tony: Right, a person’s digestion really dictates what their digestion should be.
Kinna: But if your body can’t do that, don’t just give up and say well, I guess I’ll never eat meat again.
Kinna: You have to have protein, so like you said work on all the problems to fix it so you can have it.
Will: Yeah and that like a lot of times with clients that I’ll see is I’ll say don’t change your whole diet yet. Like we’ve got to get the digestion system…
Tony: You’ve got to qualify.
Will: Right, you can eat fats. You totally need them instead of sugars, but don’t just stop eating carbs until we get you able to digest the fats. So, don’t feel like you need to make this like cold turkey switch to like a completely different way of nourishing yourself when your body’s not set up for that. Cause most of the times we’ve pigeon holed ourselves into different dietary strategies because we felt like those were the foods we could kind of handle. So then just to switch back because you hear something’s healthier like ripping on carbs all the time and you’re like oh, I’m not gonna eat carbs anymore. You may not qualify to do that.
Tony: Right, right.
Kinna: Baby steps.
Tony: Yeah and another thing I totally forgot that I wanted to hit on with kidney stones is that a lot of people, there’s a lot of information out there about that a high protein diet is going to create kidney stones and you know a low carb diet is going to create kidney stones and you know if you take out all your carbs you’re going to increase your protein and if you’re not breaking down that protein correctly that’s a lot more, you know, of those purine proteins that have a lot of the uric acid in there, um, you’re going to create a lot more of that uric acid. Which can create stones, but if you can break down that protein properly it’s not such a problem and if your kidneys have water going through them correctly, it’s also not such a problem. So that’s another one of those things where yes, you know, I think when the Atkins Diet first came out and it was popular and everybody was trying to be on a ketogenic diet where they were making ketones all the time that everybody was popping up with kidney stones. High ketones all the time can provide more material that can create stones, but if, you know, water’s flowing through your kidneys correctly, for most people, it’s not going to be a problem anyway. So you do need both things there in order not to screw yourself over, so I just wanted to hit on that.
Kinna: I feel really bad for her about the bacon.
Tony: Yeah, I know. Bacon’s delicious.
Kinna: Uh huh. Karen, from Marianne, Queensland, Australia. I had my gladbadder. Oh my God. I had my gallbladder removed 6 weeks ago and my stomach is hard and protruded just under my boobs. Is this normal and will it go away? Well, I have that same problem and I didn’t have my gallbladder removed. So there you go.
Tony: But if it’s hard you kind of wonder if she’s talking about a hiatal hernia or something. You wonder. Is it an abnormal protrusion? Like is it painful?
Kinna: Maybe she drank a blender blade?
Tony: Yeah, did you drink a blender blade?
Kinna: Check that first.
Tony: But if you press on like under your sternum is it painful to press on that? If that’s the case it’s possible that you could have a hiatal hernia. In our 4 week course we talk about that a little bit and there’s a video in there kind of showing exercises that you can do. So check that out and see if that’s the issue for you, but you know, I see now that we have so many people that are like, hey, I just had my gallbladder removed.
Will: There’s got to be a lot of gallbladders out there.
Will & Tony: Right, you could get one.
Tony: But let’s talk a little bit about the steps that you could take to keep from losing your gallbladder. And we use beet flow a lot or something with beet greens, but another thing is that it appears that consuming a lot of processed foods especially processed starches has the ability to thicken the bile so that it doesn’t flow as well. And I’ve also recently found some research that people that go on a low fat diet also have the ability to restrict bile flow. And if you think about it, if the gallbladder is not being called into action as much because there’s not as much fat being consumed then it might become more stagnant and not flow as well. So that kind of makes sense and I was excited to learn that I’d never thought about that before. Are you excited right now, Will?
Will: I’m really excited about that.
Kinna: I wasn’t even listening.
Tony: I knew that you would be. I know that’s o.k. Um, we’ll call you in when it’s time to do stuff.
Kinna: Okay, I’ll just sit here and look pretty.
Tony: Yeah, you do that well. Um, so I had somebody that sent an email asking a question and asked, also, can we have a picture of Kinna?
Kinna: Are you serious?
Tony: Yeah, they wanted to know what Kinna looked like.
Kinna: That’s funny.
Tony: So I sent them a porn that you were in.
Tony: When we see clients that don’t have bile moving which is so common or maybe they’re having gallbladder attacks um, the first step that we always use is the beet flow to try and thin it out. Maybe you can talk about something you can put up your butt, Will?
Will: Yeah, I’d love to. Well, Kinna, actually is an expert.
Kinna: Ahhhh! I’m putting on my gloves right now. Cough!
Will: Yeah, I think that that’s what that whole video was about. You can also use coffee suppositories and coffee enemas are even stronger.
Kinna: Don’t just put coffee beans up there. I’ve tried it and it’s not good.
Tony & Will: No. Doesn’t work.
Tony: And drinking coffee doesn’t do it either.
Will: It should go in the other way.
Will: Yeah, and I hear that coffee is way more effective too for just being super amped if you just do it that way.
Will: It goes straight to the bloodstream.
Kinna: That’s gonna take like my morning regimen like another hour.
Tony: And flip it upside down.
Will: So if you want to get more out of the coffee you’re drinking anyway, but it just has the ability to dilate the biliary pathway which is the little tube that bile is supposed to flow through and that’s awesome cause a lot of times it can be constrictive for example if you take birth control that can block you.
Tony: Yeah, so that can be another problem. So if you’re having a gallbladder attack, but you’re also on birth control that’s a problem because that birth control can be restricting the flow of bile and that may be what is allowing it to concentrate stones.
Will: Yeah, that’s not fun.
Tony: Um, so that seems to be the options that work the best to get bile moving. We see people all the time and hear from readers in the support group that say that their gallbladder pain subsides very quickly once they start using the beet flow and start to do things that can thin the bile. And maybe you can’t afford supplements or something like that. Another option is to stop eating all processed food. Especially gluten. Gluten seems to be the worst at thickening the bile and maybe slowly start adding in some fats just to kind of tell your body, hey, I’m supposed to do this a little bit. Of course if you get nauseous then you know you’re not ready for any fats whatsoever and you need to take other steps that are going to thin that bile so it flows better.
Will: Yeah, and just to like kind of go over what I usually try to do with people is to not have to have them shove coffee up their butt if they don’t need to so I recommend starting with the beet flow flush.
Tony: Start with the simple thing.
Will: Yeah. Start with taking some beet flow and then we talk about how to do the beet flow flush in all your books and on the digestive course and if that doesn’t work then maybe try a coffee suppository. There’s one we recommend it’s called Xeneplex, which you can get at naturalreference.com. It’s spelled x-e-n-e-p-l-e-x. You’ve got to like scroll down the alphabetical list of things that are there.
Tony: Right, right.
Will: Xeneplex. So you can try taking those and then for an even stronger and more affordable in the long run thing if you’re going to do a lot of them you can get a coffee enema kit and do them at your home.
Kinna: Which Will, will help you if you buy a coffee enema kit. Will, will come to your door and help you.
Will: Yeah, I do for a personal service. I don’t advertise that, but just know I have.
Tony: Yeah, I wouldn’t advertise either.
Kinna: I’m ready to walk into Starbucks and order a coffee and say I’ll take that in an enema bag to go. All right, Julie from Deport, Texas. That’s funny. Oh, okay, I have given birth twice over some years and had a kidney stone pass last summer. Then developed gallstones and have had 3 attacks since December. Finally diagnosed and had my gallbladder removed last Wednesday. I would choose kidney stones and birth over the sudden attacks of gallstones.
Tony: And you know you look at the people and it is common for people to have kidney stone issues and gallstone issues because there is likely an issue that is causing everything to be more concentrated, more thick and not flowing as well. So a lot times that’s a case of you know are you drinking water and where is the water going?
Kinna: Sal, from Rochester, New York. I’ve had 3 spinal surgeries and many other painful things done. By far the worst pain I have ever endured were gallstones.
Will: Another vote for gallstones.
Kinna: Yep, we’re taking score here. Uh, Jenny. How is it that I’ve had my gallbladder removed for 10 years, but I still experience attacks, just like they were before it was removed, only not so frequent? I would ask for my money back on that surgery.
Tony: Right, so once you get your money back you won’t be mad and it won’t hurt anymore.
Tony: No, but this is really common we hear from people saying this all the time and they’re like my doctor says it’s in my head because my gallbladder’s been removed. But it’s false. It’s really there, you’re really feeling it, it’s really painful and it really sucks! And if you think about it your gallbladder was removed but that biliary pathway was not and bile still flows through that. If everything was so backed up that you had to have your gallbladder removed then the odds are great that that biliary pathway was backed up as well and it’s not flowing and it can create the same pain as the gallbladder did. So then it becomes a step of okay, I need to take steps to thin my bile so that it can move and then those pains don’t exist anymore.
Tony: That doesn’t mean you fixed digestion. You still need to take other steps that we talk about to fix digestion if you don’t have a gallbladder, but at least the pains are gone.
Will: Yeah and we want to like focus on the goal of with like thinning the bile. It’s not that there was a problem with your gallbladder it was the bile’s presence in it. And we’ve had this question before, should I still take beet flow even if I don’t have a gallbladder? Yeah, because we we’re treating the bile not the gallbladder. We’re trying to get that to be liquid and like running better. So whether or not you still have one, beet flow can still help, you know, with the bile flow through the liver. Which is super important for detox and to get rid of these pains and stones that are happening.
Tony: Right and I hear from clients, I just heard from one last month where, somebody was like my doctor said that my gallbladder is not functioning. It’s not always like your gallbladder broke or the batteries went out it’s just that the bile is not flowing through it and that’s what they considering functioning and the flow has more to do with the thickness and the stickiness of the bile.
Will: Very much like the blood in the heart. A lot of times it’s not the heart’s issue, it’s the blood trying to flow through it. That’s a whole other…
Tony: That’s a different one.
Tony: Um, okay, so that was it. We’re done with questions.
Kinna: That was it.
Tony: There were like 1,400 of them. What did we learn?
Kinna: Water. Water flushing through.
Tony: Uh huh, drink it.
Will: Yeah, we learned that water flow is very important to pay attention to like if you’re too catabolic you’ll have most of the water go through your colon and not enough through your kidneys, so that can create accumulation of sediment in your urine and help contribute to kidney stones.
Tony: And that particular pathway flow also can cause the bile to be more thick and sticky too.
Tony: Because it seems when that water is going that direction it doesn’t make it in through that gallbladder too.
Will: Hmm. Yeah, not fun. If you’re low on electrolytes in general you may not be drinking enough water because your body’s trying to keep your blood thick enough. So that can also cause filtration problems and sediment accumulation.
Tony: And that’s important so don’t just hear that the only thing that Kinna learned was to drink water and then you go and you drink tons of water if you have kidney stones because if your electrolytes are already low your depression could become severe, vertigo lots of other things that we’ve talked about on other shows.
Kinna: Yeah, never listen to me.
Tony: Yeah, that’s the best tip. If we go by that tip then we learned a lot today.
Tony: Um, but it’s important to first qualify to drink more water.
Will: Yeah, and then maybe we didn’t point this out explicitly, but going through the 4 week course on digestion and learning like how to fix your digestion will help with a lot of things rather than having to wait until you actually pass a kidney stone and then have a lab analyze what it’s made of. You can look at like how is my system handling food? Like am I breaking these different things down well? Say for example you’re not breaking it down, you learn from the course that you don’t have enough stomach acid and you’re not breaking down proteins well. Well then you can think, maybe these uric acids and weird proteins accumulating and when I fix my stomach acid all the sudden I don’t have so much uric acid build up.
Tony: And if your urine pH is like 6.7 or something really high, you may not need to know what that kidney stone is made of. If you’re peeing out that much calcium odds are that calcium is involved. Cause a lot of times when people have the stones analyzed, it’s like it was 40% oxalate, 40% calcium phosphate, you know, so it can be a mixture of issues too.
Will: Uh huh.
Tony: But if your urine pH is that high, you know that’s at least one contributing factor and you can start to work on it.
Will: Yeah and then going through the rest of the course you’ll learn like do you have issues with impaired bile flow and you’ll be able to identify them and take steps to correct them. So, all in all, if you can get that whole irrigation system of like your digestion working well which you can learn how to do through the course then it’ll handle most of these issues.
Tony: Yeah, so I think you have some places to start with there. So do that then and then if the course creates more questions, then we’ll get to hear them.
Kinna: If you want to learn more about how to look at your chemistry, you can read any of Tony’s books or take the free 4 week digestion course at kickitinthenuts.com or you can check out Will’s website as well mybodyofknowledge.net and he’s got some great information on there as well.
Tony: And if you learned anything today, go to iTunes and give us a review. Cause that helps us spread the word a lot and then we like you.
Kinna: And if you want to see what I look like go to my porn page. I’m kidding.
Will: Watch “Office Space”.
Kinna: Thanks! Bye.
Tony: Bye bye.
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